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« Reply #854 on: July 28, 2023, 07:37:22 AM »
The grid won't be ready by 2030.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #855 on: July 28, 2023, 07:40:57 AM »
I think it will, mostly because by 2030, there still won't be all that many EVs on the road. 

VAdoption estimates that EV sales will grow to just 29.5% of all new vehicles in the US in 2030. The International Energy Agency (IEA) projects a US EV share of 20% in 2030, based on existing policy and trends.

The projected 26.4 million EVs will make up nearly 10 percent of the 259 million light-duty vehicles (cars and light trucks) expected to be on U.S. roads in 2030




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« Reply #856 on: July 28, 2023, 08:00:10 AM »
If every auto maker is going to be all EV by 2030, we better pray that the grid be ready no later than 2035.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #857 on: July 28, 2023, 08:23:35 AM »
If every auto maker is going to be all EV by 2030, we better pray that the grid be ready no later than 2035.
I don't think that is a goal of most automakers.  Some brands have that as a goal.  Clearly, folks "project" that maybe 1 in 3 new cars will be EVs by 2030, maybe, which is a fairly slow rate of replacement.  Even by 2050, projections are that half the cars in the US will have ICE.

I think the "grid" will continue to have issues, and maybe in CA EVs will contribute to those issues, and maybe Texas, but simple growth in the economy is a larger increase in demand even without EVs.
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« Reply #858 on: July 28, 2023, 08:26:44 AM »
If every auto maker is going to be all EV by 2030, we better pray that the grid be ready no later than 2035.
most vehicles on the road today aren't 2018 or newer
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« Reply #859 on: July 28, 2023, 08:29:26 AM »
In a much-anticipated move, the US Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) passed a new rule today that’s finally going to streamline the backed-up US grid interconnection process.

At the end of 2022, there were more than 2,000 gigawatts of bottlenecked new power generation and storage waiting to be connected across the US. That’s the same amount of electricity generation capacity as all the power plants currently operating around the country.


Projects have faced an average wait of up to five years to connect to the grid – and today’s ruling is expected to shorten that wait (we’ll keep an eye on it to see to what extent).

FERC says today’s rule will provide “greater timing and cost certainty to interconnection customers, and prevent… undue discrimination against new sources of power generation.”

Willie Phillips, FERC chairman, said:

This new rule will enable America’s vast power generation resources to connect to the grid in a reliable, efficient, transparent, and timely manner, and in doing so, help provide more reliable, resilient, and affordable electricity for all consumers.

Phillips also noted that there’s still a lot to do.

Melissa Alfano, director of energy markets and counsel at the Solar Energy Industries Association (SEIA), said, “Interconnection reforms need to be meaningful to make a difference, and this final ruling from FERC is a step in the right direction.”

“In particular, we are pleased to see that the rules set binding study deadlines and establish penalties for transmission providers that fail to meet those deadlines.”

“In addition, the new rules will make it easier to add energy storage to projects that are already in the interconnection queue, helping to increase energy storage capacity on the grid and recognize the growing value clean energy has when it comes to providing grid services.” 


Today’s final rule includes several key reform areas, including, according to FERC:

Institution of a first-ready-first-served cluster study process, with increased financial commitments for interconnection customers, to improve the efficiency of the interconnection process and minimize delays;
Imposition of firm deadlines and penalties if transmission providers fail to complete their interconnection studies on time incorporation of technological advancements into the interconnection process, including consideration of advanced transmission technologies in the interconnection study process;
An update of modeling and performance requirements for inverter-based resources to ensure continued system reliability.
The more detailed “Improvements to Generator Interconnection Procedures and Agreements” can be read on the FERC Fact Sheet here.
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« Reply #860 on: July 28, 2023, 08:44:35 AM »
most vehicles on the road today aren't 2018 or newer
Including mine.

Will there be mechanics to work on my gas car in 2035?
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« Reply #861 on: July 28, 2023, 08:46:23 AM »
If half the cars on the road by 2050 have an ICE, we'll have plenty of mechanics working on them.  And that is the projection.

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« Reply #862 on: July 28, 2023, 08:50:50 AM »
Including mine.

Will there be mechanics to work on my gas car in 2035?
yes, they don't all mysteriously die or retire

I'd be worried about a shop that can work on an electric vehicle
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« Reply #863 on: July 28, 2023, 08:55:55 AM »
I suspect most EVs will be diagnosed by computer and then the offending part would be replaced.    This is pretty true for ICE cars anyway, and they are mostly more complex.

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« Reply #864 on: July 28, 2023, 09:01:10 AM »
How much electricity would it take to power all cars if they were electric? (usafacts.org)

Given that comparison, it would take roughly 800 to 1,900 billion kWh of electricity to power all vehicles if they were EVs.

The US used about 4,130 billion kWh of electricity in 2019. This means if all cars were EVs that year, the US would have consumed 20-50% more electricity.



This is rather off in the future of course.  

 US power capacity will need to double in order to power 186 million light-duty EVs in 2050. But industry experts argue that US energy consumption decreased over the last 20 years, due to efficiency gains in appliances and the transportation sector, mean that the US power system has enough established capacity to support EV growth without the immediate need for big investments. (Figure 3).

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« Reply #865 on: July 28, 2023, 09:01:45 AM »
yes, they don't all mysteriously die or retire

I'd be worried about a shop that can work on an electric vehicle
I don't know about that.

Kids won't go to school to fix engines if their teachers tell them to go to battery school instead.

Or History school.
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« Reply #866 on: July 28, 2023, 09:02:20 AM »
I don't know much about history ...

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« Reply #867 on: July 28, 2023, 09:04:07 AM »
I don't know much about history ...
Yes, you do, and you are a chemical doctor.
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