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« Reply #826 on: July 23, 2023, 01:04:40 PM »
Another electric vehicle (EV) startup is touting “holy grail” charging technology.

The news from UK-based Nyobolt might just rise to the billing, as it promises 155 miles on a six-minute charge, with production slated to start in 2024.

Most EVs take much longer, sometimes even hours, to fully charge.

“With our unique technology we have … developed smaller battery packs that can deliver more power and charge in less time,” Nyobolt CEO Sai Shivareddy told BBC Top Gear.

The Nyobolt website doesn’t go into great detail about the tech inside the battery. The makers promise high power, a long life cycle, and improved safety to go along with the extremely fast charge time.

Lithium-ion batteries, common in EVs and a lot of other technology, have, in some cases, caught fire. Battery-makers are working on better alternatives, in part to reduce the explosion risk.

Nyobolt experts claim that its battery has a “wider temperature performance.”


What’s more, it plans to put the tech to the test in fast fashion. Nyobolt has teamed with the UK’s Callum Design to create a sports car. The Nyobolt EV has the curves of a vintage roadster, but there’s no doubt it’s from the 21st century. Everything on the car is as high-tech as it gets.

After watching a video showcasing the car on Callum’s website, it wouldn’t be a surprise to learn the EV comes with a warp drive (maybe in the next generation).

Motor Authority reported that Nyobolt hasn’t released a production date for the sports car. But the battery tech is ready for “rapid scale-up” next year. The power pack has been tested with more than 2,000 fast-charge cycles with good performance, according to the Motor Authority report.

It’s more good news for the EV industry as it tries to match range and performance with gasoline-powered vehicles.

Nyobolt is considering plugging into the truck, bus, and luxury categories, as well, according to Motor Authority.

The sports car could be the first big test for the startup.

“Nyobolt’s technology allows this car to tick all the boxes,” Callum creative lead Aleck Jones told Top Gear.
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« Reply #827 on: July 23, 2023, 08:52:38 PM »
A new paper published by SAE International uses Car and Driver's real-world highway test data to show that electric vehicles underperform on real-world efficiency and range relative to the EPA figures by a much greater margin than internal-combustion vehicles. While the latter typically meet or exceed the EPA-estimated highway fuel economy numbers, EVs tend to fall considerably short of the range number on the window sticker. The paper, written by Car and Driver's testing director, Dave VanderWerp, and Gregory Pannone, was presented this week at SAE International's annual WCX conference. It points to a need for revised testing and labeling standards for EVs moving forward.

"Basically we've taken a look at how vehicles perform relative to the values on the window sticker, looking at the difference between what the label says and what we actually see in our real-world highway test," explained VanderWerp. "We see a big difference in that gap between gas-powered vehicles and the performance of EVs. The real question is: When first-time customers are buying EVs, are they going to be pleasantly surprised or disappointed by the range?"

On Car and Driver's 75-mph highway test, more than 350 internal-combustion vehicles averaged 4.0 percent better fuel economy than what was stated on their labels. But the average range for an EV was 12.5 percent worse than the price sticker numbers.

One reason the paper suggests for why EVs fail to match expectations is how the range is calculated. While separate city and highway range figures are computed behind closed doors, only a combined number is presented to consumers. The combined rating is weighted 55 percent in favor of the city figure, where EVs typically perform better. This inflates the range estimates, making it harder to match in real-world highway driving. The paper proposes publishing both city and highway range figures—as with fuel-economy estimates for gas-powered vehicles—to give shoppers a more holistic sense of a vehicle's abilities.

The way the tests are conducted also skews the reported range figure. Unlike Car and Driver's real-world test—carried out at a constant 75 mph—the EPA's cycle is variable, with the speed increasing and decreasing over the course of the test. While this is detrimental to the results for gas vehicles, which tend to be most efficient at a steady rpm, the ability to regenerate energy under braking leads to higher range results for EVs, which are shifted even higher by the slight bias towards the city results in the combined rating.

The EPA's highway cycle is conducted at significantly lower speeds than Car and Driver's 75-mph test, with the initial EPA results then multiplied by a reduction factor to simulate the effect of higher speeds. Automakers can chose between running a two-cycle test—where the data is multiplied by a standard 0.7 adjustment factor—or carrying out a five-cycle test in an attempt to earn a smaller reduction factor, making the label figure higher. That means range figures aren't perfectly comparable across different vehicles.

"There's a balance," explained VanderWerp. "The marketing team wants to tout a big range number, but to customers you want to be conservative." This leads to different approaches from various brands. The German automakers—BMW, Mercedes, Audi, and Porsche—typically provide a relatively conservative range figure, allowing us to meet or even at times exceed the range numbers in Car and Driver's real-world tests. Tesla, meanwhile, pursues an impressive figure for its window stickers, and ends up returning real-world results that are on average two times as far off the label value as most EVs. A range discrepancy between EVs from different companies might not be as extreme as the numbers would suggest. "400 miles of stated range for a Tesla and 300 miles for a Porsche is pretty much the same number at real highway speeds," VanderWerp said.

The paper recommends that the EPA shift the reduction factor closer to 0.6, which would result in range estimates that closely correlate with the results of the real-world efficiency test. But having the same test procedure for all cars is also crucial.

"Every automaker could aggressively use the five-cycle test and get a better reduction factor, but then more people end up being disappointed in the numbers," VanderWerp said. "They should all be tested the same, and it should be closer to the real world than it is now." The paper can be found in full at SAE's website.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #829 on: July 27, 2023, 10:16:01 AM »
Chevy lays down the gauntlet in EV truck market with new electric Silverado that can travel 450 miles on a single charge

It seems like just about every other week, a new electric vehicle (EV) is being introduced with bigger, better features than before. Well, this time, it’s Chevy’s Silverado EV with an impressive 450-plus-mile range. 

Batteries are the name of the game in the EV industry, and Chevy’s Silverado EV is poised to lead the pack. The Silverado EV boasts some impressive features, including the 450-mile range, 0 to 60 in 4.5 seconds, and 10,000-pound towing capability.

But the real selling point is the 200-plus kWh battery.


To put this battery in perspective, the average EV right now is running on a 75 kWh battery, and a standard EV truck is running on a 100 kWh battery. A similar truck on the EV market, Ford’s F-150 Lighting long-range battery, comes in at 131 kWh.

Despite the massive size of this battery, the range is also incredibly impressive. While Chevy’s website advertises a conservative 400-mile range, a team at Electrek got to test out the truck and said that they easily got over 450 — even close to 500 — miles in a single charge when driving the vehicle in a normal town setting.

This type of range could be a game-changer for the EV truck market. For comparison, the GMC Hummer EV has a similar-sized battery but only has a 329-mile range.

The Silverado EV is expected to come out next year, with the longest-range battery and all options coming in at an estimated $105,000 and up. More Silverado EVs are expected to follow with varying price tags.
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« Reply #830 on: July 27, 2023, 10:42:35 AM »
I saw this article and thought I'd share it here:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2023/07/24/those-in-the-southwest-are-learning-electric-cars-dont-like-it-hot/amp/

The headline relates to hot temperatures but the article also discusses cold temperatures. Per the article the rough impacts are:

  • 17% loss of range at 95° and more as it gets hotter,
  • 41% loss of range at 20° and more as it gets colder.
This has long been a concern/question of mine so I'm happy to see some concrete numbers. 

ICE vehicles tend to lose efficiency at extreme temperatures as well but the loss is typically less severe because:
  • The heat for an ICE vehicle is essentially "free" since it is an existing byproduct of the combustion process, and
  • The A/C compressor uses (at least partially) surplus available power that would otherwise be wasted.


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« Reply #831 on: July 27, 2023, 10:56:21 AM »
The A/C compressor uses much less power than back in the 80's

used to turn the A/C off before turning the engine off so that you didn't try to start it with the A/C on.

then when starting, you'd let the motor warm up a bit or even get rolling before turning on the A/C

it was rough on gas mileage
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« Reply #832 on: July 27, 2023, 01:13:42 PM »
A factor is that engines today are mostly quite a bit more powerful than they were circa 1975, so the drag of the AC is less of a factor.  The AC still has to pump and dump  heat.  The heaters on an EV just do this in reverse and are inefficient because they have to pump heat from rather cold air into you interior.  The colder it gets, the less heat there is to pump.

This is one reason I am at this stage more a fan of plug in hybrids than total EVs.

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« Reply #833 on: July 27, 2023, 02:49:57 PM »

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« Reply #834 on: July 27, 2023, 02:50:46 PM »
This is one reason I am at this stage more a fan of plug in hybrids than total EVs.
I agree and you live in Georgia. Here in Ohio it gets almost as hot in the Summer* and MUCH colder in the winter.

With a plug-in hybrid I could just run the on board ICE when my range got slashed by extreme temperatures but with a total EV I'd be stuck in need of a charge.

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« Reply #835 on: July 27, 2023, 02:58:18 PM »
Cincy, to me, feels hotter and more humid than Atlanta, but for a shorter period of time.  The cold here is rarely below 20°F, though we got down to 8°F last winter once.  


My weather page showed 94°F and 41% here right now, it's hot.  Cincy is 93°F and 58% RH, I prefer being here.  We also have a lot of trees.

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« Reply #836 on: July 27, 2023, 03:01:42 PM »
A factor is that engines today are mostly quite a bit more powerful than they were circa 1975, so the drag of the AC is less of a factor.  The AC still has to pump and dump  heat.  
you're correct but I'm guessing the AC compressor is much smaller and more efficient and takes much less power

Perhaps the compressor is smart enough to not pull load while starting the engine as well

both factors
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« Reply #837 on: July 27, 2023, 03:48:41 PM »
As with anything, it's situational. 

A base Tesla Model 3, supposedly, has 267 miles of range. Drop that by 20% assuming this is your daily driver, as most don't push their battery beyond 80% unless it's prepping for a single long drive. So immediately pull that down to 213 miles if you start with 80% charge. Then drop another 41% off that assuming it's exactly 20degF. Now you're down to 126 miles. 

Is it common that you're driving more than 126 miles in a day? For some of you, probably yes. For many others, probably no. I.e. for me today, I'll probably drive around 35-40 miles, including commute to/from work and a stop at Costco. It will actually be quite rare for me to exceed 126 miles. 

Then, if there are rare days when you think 126 is too short, there's the possibility to charge to 100%, in which case you get some of that mileage back... That'll get you up to 157 miles on a single charge at 20degF. As long as you're not charging to 100% every night, that's not a problem. 

And this is all assuming that you're not going anywhere that a top-off charge is convenient. 

I think range anxiety is overblown. Are there people who simply can't live with an EV due to range? OF COURSE THERE ARE. Is it typically as many people who actually worry about it? I'm guessing not. 

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« Reply #838 on: July 27, 2023, 04:08:46 PM »
The headline relates to hot temperatures but the article also discusses cold temperatures. Per the article the rough impacts are:
17% loss of range at 95° and more as it gets hotter,
41% loss of range at 20° and more as it gets colder.
This has long been a concern/question of mine so I'm happy to see some concrete numbers.


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17% isn't so bad - and not many days at 20 degrees higher of 115

41% is cornsiderable - lotta days up north it doesn't make it to zero, especially at night - 20 below isn't too crazy - 40 degree difference


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« Reply #839 on: July 27, 2023, 04:13:41 PM »
I think we'd all agree range anxiety is situation, and personal.  That's why I've posited that your typical suburban family could manage with one smaller EV to get to work and then a minivan or whatever, for Mom and the kids (being traditional here).  Could I manage with an EV?  Yes, usually.  And I could rent something otherwise.  One other issue I have is that away from home chargers are said to be 3-5x the cost of normal electricity, which is 12 cents per here, higher in most other places.    We have chargers on site but I think they are pricey, most like 40 cents per kWhr.  You need about 33 kWhrs to go 100 miles (normally).  My GTI will need 3 gallons to go 100 miles on the highway, so how much am I saving?  

Then there is my need to tow a 12,000 pound boat in subzero mountain terrain ....

 

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