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« Reply #728 on: May 15, 2023, 08:24:08 AM »
Fixing instead of replacing: Average age of vehicles on US roads hits a record high

https://apnews.com/article/cars-older-record-age-prices-shortages-supply-6e3273208399803a402e707e1393475c

The average age of a passenger vehicle on the road hit a record 12.5 years this year, according to data gathered by S&P Global Mobility.

Since the pandemic struck three years ago, the average new vehicle has rocketed 24% to nearly $48,000 as of April, according to Edmunds.com. Typical loan rates on new-car purchases have ballooned to 7%, a consequence of the Federal Reserve’s aggressive streak of interest rate hikes to fight inflation.

It’s all pushed the national average monthly auto loan payment to $729 — prohibitively high for many.


Used vehicle prices, on average, have surged even more since the pandemic hit — up 40%, to nearly $29,000. With an average loan rate having reached 11%, the typical monthly used-vehicle payment is now $563.

The average vehicle age, which has been edging up since 2019, accelerated this year by a substantial three months. And while 12.5 years is the average, Campau noted, more vehicles are staying on the road for 20 years or more, sometimes with three or four successive owners.

In such cases, the third or fourth owner is getting a much older car than they would have in the past. Nearly 122 million vehicles on the road are more than a dozen years old, Campau said. S&P predicts that the number of older vehicles will keep growing until at least 2028.


S&P predicts that U.S. new vehicle sales will reach 14.5 million this year, from about 13.8 million last year. A big reason is that the supply at dealerships is finally growing. 


Still, no one is predicting a return to pre-pandemic annual sales of around 17 million anytime soon.
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« Reply #729 on: May 15, 2023, 08:26:30 AM »
My Dad told me a car was finished at about 50,000 miles (back when).  They sort of were without good maintenance.  That isn't at all true today.  If you change the oil routinely, any car can make 100 K pretty easily and still be pretty reliable, you would probably need brakes and a tune up of course and a thing might break.

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« Reply #730 on: May 15, 2023, 08:27:25 AM »
this trend could slow down the adoption of EVs cornsiderably
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« Reply #731 on: May 15, 2023, 09:05:33 AM »
I think we're in the "early adopter" phase on EVs still.  But we're moving I suspect to folks willing to buy a lower priced EV as a 'second car', the one Dad drives to work while Mom retains her SUV.  Some better funded companies will buy EV vans and pickups and likely find them good investments.  My guess is about a quarter of us think we won't EVER buy an EV no way no matter what.

And yes, the shift will be slower than many want if half the cars by 2050 are ICE Vs.

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« Reply #732 on: May 15, 2023, 10:55:38 AM »
EV vans and pickups and likely find them good investments

if subsidized by government tax breaks
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« Reply #733 on: May 15, 2023, 11:48:41 AM »
I doubt a company that operates say 100 delivery vans for intercity delivery needs tax breaks for it to pay out.  The same could be true for larger service companies with F150s.

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« Reply #734 on: May 15, 2023, 12:00:20 PM »
you think total cost of ownership will be less for the EVs??

many accounting depts agonize over fleet costs
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« Reply #735 on: May 17, 2023, 09:14:11 AM »
CO2 (R744) heat pumps in electric vehicles (EVs) are highly efficient at ambient temperature below 0°C (32°F), according to Nina Piesch, a Research Assistant from the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU).

Piesch based this comment on a research paper – “R744 heat pump solution for electric vehicles,” a survey of previous research – that she presented at the 10th International Institute of Refrigeration (IIR) conference, held in Ohrid, North Macedonia, April 27–29.

CO2 heat pumps boast a higher efficiency in electric vehicles because of their increased suction vapor density, which is a significant advantage in colder climates, she said.


https://r744.com/co2-heat-pumps-found-to-offer-high-efficiency-at-low-ambient-temperature-in-electric-vehicles/
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« Reply #736 on: May 17, 2023, 09:37:59 AM »
"colder climates"; didn't read

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« Reply #737 on: May 17, 2023, 10:04:42 AM »
you think total cost of ownership will be less for the EVs??

many accounting depts agonize over fleet costs
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« Reply #738 on: May 17, 2023, 10:09:29 AM »
I'm not cornvinced

I suppose they have leasing programs

Purchase price being more than gassers and then trade-in depreciation would seem to be more for EVs.
Electric charging isn't free, but even savings from gasoline is limited because of limited miles per day.
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« Reply #739 on: May 17, 2023, 10:20:06 AM »
Maybe the operative term is "will be".  I think the math is close now for an intracity van delivery vehicle.

EV vs. Gas: Which Cars Are Cheaper to Own? (caranddriver.com)

If we take the truck as a stand in for delivery van, their math shows it's cheaper to buy the EV.  If you recharge at night, you'd get a break on the rates.  And this is a 3 uear calculation.  EVs won't need new brakes for a much longer period of time, nor oil changes etc.  The worn out battery thing might be an issue.

After three years the grand totals give some insight into the question, "are EVs cheaper?" Based on fuel, maintenance costs, and depreciation over a three-year period here's what we've found for the cost-of-ownership of our subject vehicles:
Hyundai Kona: $19,385
Hyundai Kona Electric: $21,426
Ford F-150: $26,505
Ford F-150 Lightning: $23,840



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« Reply #740 on: May 17, 2023, 10:32:38 AM »
I suppose buying a 3 year old Lightning coming off a lease with low miles would be OK.  If I planned to own it for another 3 years.

How are 6-10 year old Teslas holding up for value and battery issues?
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« Reply #741 on: May 17, 2023, 10:48:11 AM »
Tesla's apparently hold up pretty well on resale value.

Tesla Model 3 Depreciation (caredge.com)

And their batteries are SAID to lose about 2% per year in range.    This is variable, and I think other battery packs run down faster.

How Long Does a Tesla Battery Last? (motortrend.com)


 

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