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utee94

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2022, 02:43:35 PM »
Everywhere.

Sure, Jan.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2022, 02:48:33 PM »
Everywhere is obviously the usual journalistic excess.

Here and there would be a far better description, in terms of accuracy.  But for clicks?

I read elsewhere that induction losses are single digit, like 6%, which is fascinating to me.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2022, 02:49:24 PM »
Our range is induction and it's a marvel, I MUCH prefer it to gas.  We swapped out a perfectly good stove because the wife wanted induction, and I'm glad we did.

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« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2022, 02:56:34 PM »
I think it's a cool concept. The real questions will be cost, efficiency, durability, etc. 

Also, time to market/installation. The BEV market will drive massive installations of DC electric fast charging stations over the next 10 years, and I'd be amazed if we have more than 1,000 miles of inductive charging road installed in the entire nation by that time. Once that happens, nobody will want to bankroll inductive charging roads. 

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2022, 02:59:25 PM »
In ten years, inductive charging might well still be in the test phase.  But it might still be nice to have even with superchargers all around us.

Maybe somewhere a real highway is built with this and some cars are fitted for it and folks love it, I dunno.

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« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2022, 03:05:29 PM »
I think it's a cool concept. The real questions will be cost, efficiency, durability, etc.

Also, time to market/installation. The BEV market will drive massive installations of DC electric fast charging stations over the next 10 years, and I'd be amazed if we have more than 1,000 miles of inductive charging road installed in the entire nation by that time. Once that happens, nobody will want to bankroll inductive charging roads.
Yes I suspect this is how it will go.  Without any real market drivers, there's not ever going to be widespread need or use for inductive charging road surfaces.

I could see it in very limited and specific applications though, maybe.  

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2022, 03:08:30 PM »
Exactly... And the key is simple...

Who pays for the roads? Who will pay for the electricity for these in-road chargers? 

The government. 

They can barely keep the roads maintained as it is... You think they're gonna afford this? 

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2022, 03:17:34 PM »
I think each car would pay a toll for however many miles are driven on the roads, sensors would tell which car was on them.

The GDOT is building a lot of express lanes here separate from the interstate, they are amazingly expensive to build, with gas tax monies.  Maybe they build separate freeways for this concept.  But I agree until it gets going in some real form, not just a mile of test road, its appeal would be very limited.

PROJECT-NorthwestCorridorExpressLanes.pdf (aspirebridge.com)

This is the longest bridge in the state now.  The cost is incredible, to me.

The project included three intersecting interstate highways — Interstates 75, 575 and 285 — and 39 bridges. With a cost of $834 million, it is the largest transportation project in Georgia history.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2022, 08:41:25 AM »
Exactly... And the key is simple...

Who pays for the roads? Who will pay for the electricity for these in-road chargers?

The government.

They can barely keep the roads maintained as it is... You think they're gonna afford this?
Cali will simply raise taxes, again
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2022, 08:45:53 AM »
The model is akin to that express lane project in GA, nearly a billion dollars paid for by ... users, with tolls.  And supposedly usage is higher than expected, I'm told.  And this is just two lanes separated from the freeway that reverse depending on time of day.  You have to have a "Peach Pass" to use them, it costs $20 I think to install, I don't have one.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2022, 08:51:49 AM »
Exactly... And the key is simple...

Who pays for the roads? Who will pay for the electricity for these in-road chargers?

The government.

They can barely keep the roads maintained as it is... You think they're gonna afford this?
Us?

I've been out of the road business for quite some time, but when I was in it, road construction was funded by motor fuel taxes.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2022, 09:01:35 AM »
The model is akin to that express lane project in GA, nearly a billion dollars paid for by ... users, with tolls.  And supposedly usage is higher than expected, I'm told.  And this is just two lanes separated from the freeway that reverse depending on time of day.  You have to have a "Peach Pass" to use them, it costs $20 I think to install, I don't have one.
Tolls pay various entities after the road is built.

Who would pay for these roads to BE built?

Keeping in mind that an inductive charging road surface would be substantially more expensive than a standard road surface.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #68 on: February 11, 2022, 09:03:10 AM »
the bank extends a loan, then it's paid after the road is built
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #69 on: February 11, 2022, 09:03:59 AM »
the bank extends a loan, then it's paid after the road is built
Maybe.  Sometimes.

Who guarantees the loan?

 

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