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longhorn320

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #252 on: May 12, 2022, 09:54:09 AM »
Right now the only reason someone would buy an EV is to save on gas

Ive already calculated the payback period for gas savings to pay for a $30,000 car is 10 years

thus there currently is no personal benefit for buying an EV

why would I want to tie myself to a 10 year hole just to drive an EV

now if an EV had equal distance stats and recharge time was 30 minutes or less
then it could be considered


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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #253 on: May 12, 2022, 10:19:11 AM »
I've noted the F150 is about the same price as the ICE version.  It has a lot more torque, and a useful front trunk, and is reported to have better handling (low CoG).  Aside from saving on gas, it also saves on oil changes and brakes.  I think these things will sell like hotcakes.

I think this is a much better comparison than with any available regular car.

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« Reply #254 on: May 12, 2022, 10:55:22 AM »
I've noted the F150 is about the same price as the ICE version.  It has a lot more torque, and a useful front trunk, and is reported to have better handling (low CoG).  Aside from saving on gas, it also saves on oil changes and brakes.  I think these things will sell like hotcakes.

I think this is a much better comparison than with any available regular car.
I'm not disagreeing but it does depend on what you are doing with it.  If you need to be able to tow a heavy trailer even just once in a while I would guess the EV wouldn't work because the battery drainage would be so severe that you couldn't go anywhere.  

Another factor is climate.  Here in Northern Ohio it is cold a lot.  With an ICE vehicle the heat is basically "free" because it is a byproduct of the operation of the ICE but with an EV the heat is most definitely NOT free.  Creating heat will drain your powersupply and thus your range gets a LOT shorter if you are running heat/defrost.  

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« Reply #255 on: May 12, 2022, 10:56:29 AM »
I've noted the F150 is about the same price as the ICE version.  It has a lot more torque, and a useful front trunk, and is reported to have better handling (low CoG).  Aside from saving on gas, it also saves on oil changes and brakes.  I think these things will sell like hotcakes.

I think this is a much better comparison than with any available regular car.
we shall see

if Joe six pack wants to pluck down 40Gs on something that can only be driven in town that will really surprise me
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« Reply #256 on: May 12, 2022, 11:31:03 AM »
Ford is currently sold out and unable to take more orders.  I described the kind of person who would find this truck appealing, it's not everyone.  It's the first EV I personally think makes sense financially for quite a few folks interested in a light duty truck.  

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« Reply #257 on: May 12, 2022, 12:20:56 PM »
I believe you are correct that the F-150 EV makes sense to in certain situations. However, there is still a need for ICE powered trucks when the EV does not make sense. Unfortunately, there is a wide segment of the population that is unwilling to admit this fact.

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« Reply #258 on: May 12, 2022, 01:14:28 PM »
Ford is currently sold out and unable to take more orders.  I described the kind of person who would find this truck appealing, it's not everyone.  It's the first EV I personally think makes sense financially for quite a few folks interested in a light duty truck. 
supply chain issues are hurting them all. Even Tesla is now saying it may have to stop taking orders on certain models because there is way more demand than they have current capacity to actually build the damn things.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #259 on: May 12, 2022, 02:25:42 PM »
For now, anyone needing to tow any reasonable distance needs an ICE.  There is no 2500 equivalent (yet).  As UT has noted, a plug in hybrid might be the solution there.

I see a lot of "F150s" around here, workers, contractors, etc.  The EV would meet their needs nicely, though as I noted most are buying used.

I'm surprised the price premium is not larger than it apparently is on these trucks.  I bet they start out building only the high end models like they do with the Corvette.




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« Reply #260 on: May 13, 2022, 12:43:31 PM »
I believe you are correct that the F-150 EV makes sense to in certain situations. However, there is still a need for ICE powered trucks when the EV does not make sense. Unfortunately, there is a wide segment of the population that is unwilling to admit this fact.
This is a really good point and what makes it doubly ridiculous is that some of the people unwilling to admit this are in positions of power and influence.  

If you are a contractor in a large urban area I think an EV either already is or will soon be a viable option because you don't drive all that far and there are plenty of charging stations available.  It is different if you are using this truck in a very rural area because the distances are necessarily greater and the charging stations are going to be further apart.  Add in a need to pull trailers and/or a cold climate (both the cold itself and the need to generate heat are MAJOR drains on the battery) and the EV isn't remotely close to viable.  

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« Reply #261 on: May 16, 2022, 10:12:25 PM »
CEO Elon Musk had conceptualized and shared the idea of a truck that compared to the Ford F-250 with load-compensating suspension back in 2012. Working from that early concept, Tesla continued to design the Cybertruck over the next several years and hinted at the vehicle in November of 2017 with an image of a “pickup truck that can carry a pickup truck” at the reveal of the Tesla Roadster.

Although the truck was announced late in 2019 following a teaser in March showing the vehicle in a “cyberpunk” style and production on the dual-motor and tri-motor all-wheel drive models was meant to begin late in 2021, followed by the rear-wheel drive iteration in late 2022, the production was pushed back and now is estimated to begin sometime early in 2023.

The Tesla Cybertruck has had three different models announced, with battery range estimates ranging from 250 to 500 miles and estimated accelerations from 0-62 MPH in somewhere between 2.9 and 6.5 seconds. The truck’s rear-wheel drive model started at an MSRP of $39,900 and the all-wheel drive model started at $49.900.

The Cybertruck comes with features such as self-leveling suspension, on-board power inverters, an air compressor, an exterior made of 30x cold-rolled stainless sheet metal, and Tesla armor glass. The bed of the truck is a standard size (6.5 feet in length) with sloped walls and comes with a motorized roller cover. Also, optional is a solar panel roof that would add an addition minimum of fifteen miles of range per day.

The Stunning Interior Of The Cybertruck
The interior of the Cybertruck is unique and continues the futuristic design of the exterior, which could potentially be polarizing to some due to just how different it is. Whether you love it or hate it, though, one thing is certain-you will immediately form an opinion.

The interior was designed by a team led by Franz von Holzhausen and is spacious. The overall exterior design of the truck allows for ample room in the cabin, allowing for plenty of leg space for both the driver and all five potential passengers. The seats are leather and provide support and comfort despite their angular appearance.

Although the prototype was shown with a half steering wheel, it is highly unlikely that the final production model will attempt to have this as it is illegal in many states and many speculate that it was for design purposes only, as an accent to the futuristic image Tesla sought to project for the truck and was never planned to be included on the final model.

The command center of the truck is found in a 17-inch display control panel. The interface is easily navigable, responsive, and able to display all relevant information about the truck as well as act as the control for environmental adjustments, lighting, trip navigation, and entertainment systems. It is the only item on the dashboard, as there are no accents or additional design elements.

With extra storage beneath the back row of seats, the truck offers about 100 cubic-feet of additional space. This will come in handy for those taking advantage of some of the many features, extensions, and add-ons offered for the truck that include things like a snap on bed tent, towing package capable of pulling up to 14,000 lbs., and others that make road-trips and camping treks much more comfortable.

Despite the somewhat bare and minimalist appearance of the interior of the Tesla Cybertruck as compared to other pickups, it is spacious, comfortable, and rife with technology that improves the experience of driving and riding in the vehicle. Able to fit six adults and all your camping supplies comfortably, the Cybertruck interior is classy and sleek and will leave consumers speechless.
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« Reply #262 on: May 17, 2022, 12:21:45 PM »
This is a really good point and what makes it doubly ridiculous is that some of the people unwilling to admit this are in positions of power and influence. 

If you are a contractor in a large urban area I think an EV either already is or will soon be a viable option because you don't drive all that far and there are plenty of charging stations available.  It is different if you are using this truck in a very rural area because the distances are necessarily greater and the charging stations are going to be further apart.  Add in a need to pull trailers and/or a cold climate (both the cold itself and the need to generate heat are MAJOR drains on the battery) and the EV isn't remotely close to viable. 
I think that sometimes the auto companies, the government and people in general forget that not everyone lives in an urban area. Some of us live in rural areas which require in my case, a 9 mile drive to get to a grocery store, a hardware store or many other conveniences that urban dwellers take for granted. And as you say, my reason for driving a 3/4 ton truck is that I frequently pull trailers/campers or haul material in the bed of the truck. For these reasons, an EV is completely out of the question. Yet there are many people (and as you stated, many in positions of power) that are either oblivious to these scernios or just don't care and are more than willing to mandate that we as a society move away from ICE power to EV's. 

Just wait until they try to force this on the farmers whose tractors, combines and semi's will not do well on battery power. 

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« Reply #263 on: May 17, 2022, 09:36:22 PM »
some folks drive over 29 miles one way to get groceries

not many by percentage, but..........
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« Reply #264 on: June 01, 2022, 08:27:41 AM »
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« Reply #265 on: June 01, 2022, 08:33:33 AM »
I doubt anyone is forced to buy EV in the US, except there will be a time when only EVs are sold as new vehicles, which probably is ca. 2040.  I've noted before that many two car families would do well with one EV and one ICE, IF the EV presented a reasonable value proposition in starting cost.  This won't work for everyone, but it's going to be attractive, I think, for quite a few if supply can keep up and if prices come down more.

The process will be slower than many wish, but it's coming.

 

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