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longhorn320

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #238 on: May 11, 2022, 02:32:10 PM »
not sure why this is a game changer

the basic problems with electric cars still exist

driving distance from a full charge and length of time to charge were not mentioned

or at least I couldnt find it
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #239 on: May 11, 2022, 02:46:10 PM »
A lot of folks use light duty trucks only for local drives, to work, to a job site, etc.  The EF150 does have decent range.  You could add 100 miles in 15-20 minutes with a supercharger.  The lockable frunk to me would have major appeal.

Final EPA-estimated range for F-150 Lightning:

⚡️XLT, Lariat & Pro trims = 320 miles w/ extended range. 230 for standard.
⚡️Platinum trim = 300 miles

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #240 on: May 11, 2022, 03:11:58 PM »
2022 Ford F-150 Lightning First Drive: A Monumental Electric Pickup Truck (motortrend.com)

MT tends to be on the positive side with their evals, but they seem really charged up about this truck.  

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #241 on: May 11, 2022, 03:13:08 PM »
still at $40,000 they are not there yet

not even close
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #242 on: May 11, 2022, 04:00:19 PM »
How much does a new F150 cost with similar equipment levels?  

All Lightnings will come with all-wheel drive and a crew cab, so by our approximation the most equivalent gasoline model is the 2021 F-150 XL SuperCrew 4WD with a short bed, which costs $41,855. That base version has a 3.3-liter V-6 engine with 290 horsepower and 265 pound-feet of torque, which pales in comparison with the base Lightning's 426 hp and 775 pound-feet.


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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #243 on: May 11, 2022, 04:38:10 PM »
How much does a new F150 cost with similar equipment levels? 

All Lightnings will come with all-wheel drive and a crew cab, so by our approximation the most equivalent gasoline model is the 2021 F-150 XL SuperCrew 4WD with a short bed, which costs $41,855. That base version has a 3.3-liter V-6 engine with 290 horsepower and 265 pound-feet of torque, which pales in comparison with the base Lightning's 426 hp and 775 pound-feet.


what doesnt pale in comparison is the limited ability to drive out of town like a vacation.

no news here

wake me when you can drive an electric auto 350 miles and it only takes 30 minutes to fully charge for another 350 miles
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #244 on: May 11, 2022, 05:23:07 PM »
what doesnt pale in comparison is the limited ability to drive out of town like a vacation.

no news here

wake me when you can drive an electric auto 350 miles and it only takes 30 minutes to fully charge for another 350 miles
I think, for now, that it is very difficult to have an EV as you or your family's only vehicle for this reason.  However, I think they are or are getting very close to being a potentially viable option for a multi-car family.  

My wife and I have talked about them but, for now, we both have extremely short commutes which pretty much negates the primary benefit of an EV.  

For our family's vehicles:
  • My commute to work is 2.0 mi each way so 4.0 mi/day or 20 mi/week and I work year-around so approximately 1,040 mi/year.  
  • My wife's commute to work is slightly longer at 2.2 mi each way or 4.4 mi/day or 22 mi/week but she works for a school so only 36 weeks per year so her commute to/from work is about 792 mi/year.  
  • The two of us drive a combined 1,832 mi/year commuting to/from work.  

Obviously most people have MUCH longer commutes to/from work.  For us, getting a more efficient vehicle just doesn't save us much money.  To illustrate this I did a comparison on the EPA site where you can compare fuel economy of different vehicles.  I picked a Toyota Prius and a Chevy Suburban 4x4, 6.2L gas (without the stop/start, basically I was looking for a REALLY inefficient vehicle).  For our combined commutes the annual fuel cost is:
  • $650 for the humongous Suburban
  • $150 for the Prius.  

That is basically the biggest gap I could come up with and it is only $500/year for our commutes.  

My wife previously worked farther away, a 19.4 mi trip from our house.  If she was still doing that then I think we'd be more serious about an EV.  That 19.4 mi commute was about 50/50 City/Highway and that was a year-round job so her annual was 10,088 mi (19.4*2=38.8 per day *5=194 per week *52=10,088 per year).  If you go back to the Suburban/Prius comparison the annual fuel costs for that commute are:
  • $3,200 for the humongous Suburban
  • $850 for the Prius.  
Then it would be enough money to be worth considering.  


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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #245 on: May 11, 2022, 09:19:28 PM »
what doesnt pale in comparison is the limited ability to drive out of town like a vacation.

no news here

wake me when you can drive an electric auto 350 miles and it only takes 30 minutes to fully charge for another 350 miles
Tesla supercharger will get around 200 miles in about 15 mins and charge up to 80% in about 40 minutes.

Tesla is literally the only EV out there being remotely capable of what you're talking about, as they are really the only ones with a nation wide charging network, which the car is programmed to show where every single Tesla charger and charging station in the country is on the nav.

They are by far the closest, but still not good enough imo.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #246 on: May 12, 2022, 03:34:54 AM »
No doubt the EV trucks are not suited for everyone, but I'm still impressed with both of them and how well suited they are for a lot of truck owners.  I think this is a better market for EVs than cars right now, and the trucks appear to me to be closer to break even than EV cars, advantages are impressive (to me) especially if you don't tow or take long road trips.  Delivery vans should be another solid market for these chassis.

Speaking of driving a truck 440 miles or so, the F150 4x4 is rated at 22 mpg highway, so 20 gallons of gas, ~ $100.  The cost to charge the EF150 would be somewhere around $20-25 depending.  

When using a fast charger, it will only take about 40 to 45 minutes to charge the Ford Lightning to 80%

The average residential electricity rate in the U.S. is 14.19 cents per kilowatt-hour as of December 6, 2021. By Using this price and the equation above we can find how much it would cost to charge the Ford Lightning at your home, which would be 13.91$ for the standard model and 18.59$ for the extended model. This is only an estimation as every state has different electricity rates. 


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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #247 on: May 12, 2022, 04:15:04 AM »
How far does a typical "work truck" go in a day?  I mean one used by plumbers, electricians, gardeners, etc.

Maybe 100 miles?  A lot of these folks are going to buy used, but a larger company that buys new is going to be attracted to the electric version I think.  And of course delivery vans used by UPS etc. should be a no brainer if the cost is roughly on par with ICE vans - no oil changes, almost no brake jobs ...  seems near ideal to me.  These things must get awful gas mileage today.

And those vans used to get you to the rental car place etc. or motel?  Seems like another good market.




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« Reply #248 on: May 12, 2022, 05:42:43 AM »
How far does a typical "work truck" go in a day?  I mean one used by plumbers, electricians, gardeners, etc.

Maybe 100 miles?  A lot of these folks are going to buy used, but a larger company that buys new is going to be attracted to the electric version I think.  And of course delivery vans used by UPS etc. should be a no brainer if the cost is roughly on par with ICE vans - no oil changes, almost no brake jobs ...  seems near ideal to me.  These things must get awful gas mileage today.

And those vans used to get you to the rental car place etc. or motel?  Seems like another good market.
honestly depends. For the average "work truck", I'd say 100 miles is a great guess though. I know some electricians, plumbers, etc., that will work from Palm Beach all the way to Miami. That's about 65-70 miles each way- plus whatever stops they make in between.

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #249 on: May 12, 2022, 07:04:26 AM »
With just about any average, there will be a distribution about the mean, or median.  I think 280 mile range is plenty for a work truck and probably a delivery van.  Below is one answer to the question for UPS.  Those vans likely get 15 mpg in this sort of driving.

On an average night, a driver travels 75 to 100 miles on deliveries, averaging four solid hours of drive-time mostly on residential streets. 





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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #250 on: May 12, 2022, 08:44:18 AM »

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« Reply #251 on: May 12, 2022, 09:02:34 AM »
My commute is about 20 steps every morning. Sometimes it's a 3 hour flight.
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