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Topic: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?

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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #518 on: July 12, 2024, 05:38:35 PM »
wow-- a little "out there" for your normally rational posts.

Only because I see people bending themselves into pretzels to excuse Trump, despite so many of them (esp. on this board) admitting what a foul, horrible person he is. 

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hate the guy- as I have said a million times.  He is Egotistical, bombastic, narcissistic, and has diarrhea of the mouth. But I am not convinced he committed a single crime.

Well, he's already lost two high-profile civil cases. One for defamation and one for his company's fraudulence. And while you may not be convinced he committed a single crime, a jury of 12 unanimously convicted him of 34 felony counts. 

And notice in the latter case, the facts weren't really at issue. Cheated on his wife with a porn star, paid her hush money to cover it up. Nobody except Trump himself seems to deny the sex, and not even he can deny the hush money. The question, then, is whether it is a crime. And Trump apologists bend themselves into pretzels saying sure, he had sex with a porn star and paid her off to keep quiet so it wouldn't affect his campaign, but is that really a crime? 

Now he's got a case for classified documents. It might be one thing if someone asked him for all his Presidential records and it turned out there were a handful of classified docs in there. But it went a lot farther. There is (if the indictment is to be believed, and admittedly indictments are the most damning possible reading of the facts) a deliberate effort to keep and cover up the existence of more classified documents after they were already requested, up to and including an FBI raid that found boxes full of them. That goes to intent. Not an oversight. You're saying that's not a crime? 

Conspiring to submit a slate of fraudulent electors from a couple of the states in question in the 2020 election? You're cool with that one? Not a crime? 

The Jan 6 stuff is murky because the legal bar for "incitement" is high, but given what he did say on Jan 6, you think he's above investigation/prosecution? You're definitively going to say it wasn't a crime? 


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When the "prosecutions" are made up, (just like the impeachment hoaxes') he does have a right to cry foul.  And you cant deny the MSM and Dem Party have tried their best to "get him" with things that have proven to be corrupt in their intentions and "evidence."  Just like the Dem talking point "nobody is above the law"  :57:

He cries foul at EVERYTHING. It's pathological. He's never been held to account and so whenever someone tries to hold him to account for anything, he decries it as the most unfair treatment that anyone has experienced in human history. 

And the impeachment "hoax"? The man was extorting valid aid that Congress had appropriated for Ukraine in order to get Ukraine to announce an investigation into Biden. You want to talk about "lawfare"? What exactly was that, then? It was basically the textbook definition of quid pro quo. "You do this personal/political favor for me, and then I'll stop blocking the aid that Congress already said you were due."


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Except appointing a civilian (jack Smith) to investigate with unlimited authority and subpoena power and prosecute Trump is WAYYY outside the law. There is no law or legislation or constitutional precedent to even allow something that obviously political and illegal.  That's Banana Republic stuff.  Talk about a threat to democracy.    I think that's why the recent poll I saw had Trump as less a threat to democracy than Biden.

Only one of them has denied the results of a United States Presidential Election--and continues to do so. Only one of them has conspired in multiple plots to obstruct the certification of the votes in certain battleground states. Only one of them has conspired to submit slates of fraudulent electors to throw the election results into disarray. Only one of them has attempted to strongarm his VP, the presider over the certification of the election, to abdicate his responsibility and throw it to the HoR. And when that didn't work, only one of them has tried to get his lackeys in Congress to object to the specific states electoral vote counts to overturn the election and throw it to the HoR. And only one of them, when none of that worked and he was surrounded by people erecting gallows and wanting to hang Mike Pence, exhorted them to go down to the Capitol building and "fight or you won't have a country anymore"... And that's what they did. 

Only one of them has said he wants to be a dictator on day one. Only one of them says he deserves not just to be elected again, but "a third term" because it's so unfair that one was "stolen" from him. 

There was a big legal fight in 2000. It came down to SCOTUS. But in the end, Al Gore accepted and conceded defeat. Trump had 60 court cases over the election, many of which were under Republican-appointed judges. As I recall, he lost 59 of them. He lost. And to this day, he won't admit it. Again, it's pathological. He fears "losing" so much that he can't fathom that any election he loses isn't rigged. 


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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #519 on: July 12, 2024, 05:45:25 PM »
I wish to disagree.   But I can’t. 

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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #520 on: July 12, 2024, 05:54:35 PM »
I wish to disagree.  But I can’t.
I can.  And do.  When your convicting him of molesting someone in a department store, and the videos indicate neither party was even there, then your too biased to even converse with. 
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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #521 on: July 12, 2024, 05:59:10 PM »
34 counts.  Lol.  NDAs are 100% legal.   They are used all the time.  Hell, I have signed dozens for work.  

They have zero correlation to guilt.   They are more related to silence.    

But when your mind is made up despite facts- there is nothing left to debate.  

In that Lib filled manhattan court- they could have charged him with liking peppermint, claimed it was a death sentence felony, and got a conviction.  


C’mon man.    
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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #522 on: July 12, 2024, 06:00:55 PM »
Only because I see people bending themselves into pretzels to excuse Trump, despite so many of them (esp. on this board) admitting what a foul, horrible person he is.

Well, he's already lost two high-profile civil cases. One for defamation and one for his company's fraudulence. And while you may not be convinced he committed a single crime, a jury of 12 unanimously convicted him of 34 felony counts.

And notice in the latter case, the facts weren't really at issue. Cheated on his wife with a porn star, paid her hush money to cover it up. Nobody except Trump himself seems to deny the sex, and not even he can deny the hush money. The question, then, is whether it is a crime. And Trump apologists bend themselves into pretzels saying sure, he had sex with a porn star and paid her off to keep quiet so it wouldn't affect his campaign, but is that really a crime?

Now he's got a case for classified documents. It might be one thing if someone asked him for all his Presidential records and it turned out there were a handful of classified docs in there. But it went a lot farther. There is (if the indictment is to be believed, and admittedly indictments are the most damning possible reading of the facts) a deliberate effort to keep and cover up the existence of more classified documents after they were already requested, up to and including an FBI raid that found boxes full of them. That goes to intent. Not an oversight. You're saying that's not a crime?

Conspiring to submit a slate of fraudulent electors from a couple of the states in question in the 2020 election? You're cool with that one? Not a crime?

The Jan 6 stuff is murky because the legal bar for "incitement" is high, but given what he did say on Jan 6, you think he's above investigation/prosecution? You're definitively going to say it wasn't a crime?

He cries foul at EVERYTHING. It's pathological. He's never been held to account and so whenever someone tries to hold him to account for anything, he decries it as the most unfair treatment that anyone has experienced in human history.

And the impeachment "hoax"? The man was extorting valid aid that Congress had appropriated for Ukraine in order to get Ukraine to announce an investigation into Biden. You want to talk about "lawfare"? What exactly was that, then? It was basically the textbook definition of quid pro quo. "You do this personal/political favor for me, and then I'll stop blocking the aid that Congress already said you were due."


Only one of them has denied the results of a United States Presidential Election--and continues to do so. Only one of them has conspired in multiple plots to obstruct the certification of the votes in certain battleground states. Only one of them has conspired to submit slates of fraudulent electors to throw the election results into disarray. Only one of them has attempted to strongarm his VP, the presider over the certification of the election, to abdicate his responsibility and throw it to the HoR. And when that didn't work, only one of them has tried to get his lackeys in Congress to object to the specific states electoral vote counts to overturn the election and throw it to the HoR. And only one of them, when none of that worked and he was surrounded by people erecting gallows and wanting to hang Mike Pence, exhorted them to go down to the Capitol building and "fight or you won't have a country anymore"... And that's what they did.

Only one of them has said he wants to be a dictator on day one. Only one of them says he deserves not just to be elected again, but "a third term" because it's so unfair that one was "stolen" from him.

There was a big legal fight in 2000. It came down to SCOTUS. But in the end, Al Gore accepted and conceded defeat. Trump had 60 court cases over the election, many of which were under Republican-appointed judges. As I recall, he lost 59 of them. He lost. And to this day, he won't admit it. Again, it's pathological. He fears "losing" so much that he can't fathom that any election he loses isn't rigged.


This post is filled with fallacies and untruths, from top to bottom.  You win.   
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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #523 on: July 12, 2024, 06:07:50 PM »
This post is filled with fallacies and untruths, from top to bottom.  You win.   
Fine. Let's limit it, then, to the time between election day and January 6. 

Do you not see literally ANYTHING in that timeframe that suggests Donald Trump is a threat to democracy? 

Or do you think the vote was entirely fraudulent and rigged, like he told you, and that he was just trying to protect democracy as the legitimate winner of the election?

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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #524 on: July 12, 2024, 06:40:06 PM »
Only because I see people bending themselves into pretzels to excuse Trump, despite so many of them (esp. on this board) admitting what a foul, horrible person he is.
newsflash: Joe Biden is a foul, horrible person as well who has done INFINITELY more damage to people in this country and across the globe than Trump could ever dream of doing. Black people are locked up in this country at VASTLY disproportionate rates because of: Joe "I wrote the damn crime bills" Biden. Many of whom for doing nothing but the same thing as his crackhead son: being addicted to crack cocaine. Joe Biden has vehemently supported every single god damn war that this country has fought in the last 50 or so years, including Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Afghanistan. Joe Biden has been actively full-stop supporting mass slaughter and ethnic cleansing in Gaza over the past 9 months. The Lancet journal just came out and said a conservative estimate of the actual death toll there is something around 186,000 people dead. Joe Biden ran point in the Obama administration for Ukraine policy and was involved the US overthrowing a democratically elected government in Ukraine. How'd that turn out for the world? Uh, not great. Trump looks like a saint compared to someone like Biden for the simple fact he hasn't been in power long enough to do the kind of very real damage and destruction that Biden's policies have contributed to over the course of FIFTY years.

Joe Biden is one of the biggest lying scumbag morally bankrupt, corrupt repugnant pieces of shit ever to walk the earth. The guy didn't get the nickname "the senator from MBNA" for nothin' ya know.

Joe Biden was never fit to President. Even way before his brain melted into the double fudge chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream he drools over....


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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #525 on: July 12, 2024, 07:49:10 PM »

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Except appointing a civilian (jack Smith) to investigate with unlimited authority and subpoena power and prosecute Trump is WAYYY outside the law. There is no law or legislation or constitutional precedent to even allow something that obviously political and illegal.  That's Banana Republic stuff.  Talk about a threat to democracy.    I think that's why the recent poll I saw had Trump as less a threat to democracy than Biden.
It's this kind of "heads we win tails you lose" logic that Trump excels at. My ex-wife loved that too - maybe that's why I'm so sensitive to it.


The entire point of a special prosecutor is to put a layer of distance between Biden's DOJ and the Trump investigation. Obviously Biden, and by extension his appointees, have a vested interest in Biden winning. So appointing a special prosecutor, especially a civilian, who isn't beholden to Biden is a way to rectify that conflict of interest. 

Now, Trump is making the argument that there is no statutory authority to appoint such a special counsel. Fine, he can make the argument. But to call it "WAYYY outside the law," "obviously political and illegal," or "Banana Republic stuff' is goofy. If he didn't appoint such a special counsel, Trump would be arguing that obviously there is a conflict of interest and a special counsel needs to be appointed. Tails I win and heads you lose.

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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #526 on: July 12, 2024, 08:08:10 PM »
I said somewhere in one of these threads that I truly believe that this is a case of the pro-Democrat media bias backfiring and HURTING Democrats.  Follow me here:

Suppose the situation were reversed:  An 81 year old Republican in significant cognitive decline was in the WH and seeking re-election.  His decline would have been BEATEN into us for the past four years.  SNL's "News" would have been running "Biden forgets what year it is" and "Biden forgets he is President" jokes for the past four years.  That would have led to a seriously contested Republican Primary.  With a seriously contested primary, the debate debacle would have happened at a Primary debate and the Republican incumbent would have lost the Primary.  He would now be a lame duck serving out his term. 

Instead, the media treated Trump's "sleepy Joe" comments and the like as COMPLETELY baseless and failed to look into it AT ALL.  Thus, there was no serious Democratic Primary, Biden didn't have to face Primary Debates and consequently the debacle didn't happen until a point in the cycle where it was too late to replace him through the Primary process and possibly too late to replace him period. 
I don't disagree at all. Liberal types often go way out of their way to avoid having any type of actual debate/conflict. A lot of Poindexter types in there, especially among the political people. I've spent a lot of time with them, and they tend to be extremely cocky in their methods, far past what their results would show. Though I can't complain too much - trial lawyers can be the same way.

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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #527 on: July 12, 2024, 08:49:41 PM »
It's this kind of "heads we win tails you lose" logic that Trump excels at. My ex-wife loved that too - maybe that's why I'm so sensitive to it.


The entire point of a special prosecutor is to put a layer of distance between Biden's DOJ and the Trump investigation. Obviously Biden, and by extension his appointees, have a vested interest in Biden winning. So appointing a special prosecutor, especially a civilian, who isn't beholden to Biden is a way to rectify that conflict of interest.

Now, Trump is making the argument that there is no statutory authority to appoint such a special counsel. Fine, he can make the argument. But to call it "WAYYY outside the law," "obviously political and illegal," or "Banana Republic stuff' is goofy. If he didn't appoint such a special counsel, Trump would be arguing that obviously there is a conflict of interest and a special counsel needs to be appointed. Tails I win and heads you lose.
There is no statutory authority.  It’s never been done.  It’s a made up process. Just like the fake felony in New York. 
And it isn’t Trump making the argument.  It ever unbiased legal scholar that has opined.
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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #528 on: July 12, 2024, 08:57:06 PM »
There is no statutory authority.  It’s never been done.  It’s a made up process. Just like the fake felony in New York. 
And it isn’t Trump making the argument.  It ever unbiased legal scholar that has opined.
There have been many special counsel appointments. Jack Smith pointed out several made by William Barr. Trump made similar arguments about Robert Mueller, himself a special counsel.

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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #529 on: July 12, 2024, 09:06:14 PM »
I wonder how many crimes Trump would have been convicted of over the course of his life if he'd had run-of-the-mill lawyers like a normal person would.

Dozens?  

Hundreds?  

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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #530 on: July 12, 2024, 09:06:44 PM »
There have been many special counsel appointments. Jack Smith pointed out several made by William Barr. Trump made similar arguments about Robert Mueller, himself a special counsel.
You did not just make that comparison….

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« Reply #531 on: July 12, 2024, 09:46:00 PM »
You did not just make that comparison….


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