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Topic: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?

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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #350 on: July 09, 2024, 02:49:34 PM »
When the next presidential debate of 2024 takes place and who will moderate it - CBS News


President Biden and former President Donald Trump have agreed to one more showdown on the debate stage before the 2024 presidential election. 
The September rematch will come after both candidates formally accept their party's nomination. The first debate, hosted Thursday by CNN in Atlanta, came unusually early in the election season given that both are still the presumptive nominees before their party conventions. 
When is the second presidential debate?
  • ABC News will host the second debate between President Biden and Donald Trump on Tuesday, Sept. 10, at 9 p.m. Eastern Time. 



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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #351 on: July 09, 2024, 02:50:12 PM »
Imagine the Biden folks say it has to be earlier because our guy needs his sleep .....
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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #352 on: July 09, 2024, 03:16:56 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on July 09, 2024, 02:44:01 PM
There is an old saying in Politics that says "When your opponent is hanging themselves, don't get in the way."  Trump has made a multitude of political errors and it would seem more like him to come out swinging at Biden in this situation but Badge makes a good point.  He has been almost eerily quiet. 

In the realm of political strategy, Trump's relative silence is ABSOLUTELY the best course of action.  Right now the country (see this board for example) is discussing Biden's fitness and mental capacity.  Trump wins from that conversation.  Anything he does or says could distract from that so the best course for him right now is to STFU and he surprisingly has. 

The other risk for Trump at this point is that coming out swinging at Biden NOW just looks brutish.  Lots of us have had elderly parents or other relatives that went through something similar to what it appears that Biden is going through.  Both Cenk Ungar and Jon Stewart referenced that fact.  I think those of us that have been there wouldn't want someone with the mental issues that we saw our loved ones go through to be POTUS, but we also wouldn't want some bully to humiliate them so for Trump to go on the attack would likely generate a backlash of sympathy for Biden. 
Exactly. Trump has nothing to gain from attacking Biden right now.

Think of the Democrats like a group of siblings. Siblings can be absolutely SAVAGE to each other. But when someone from outside tries to mess with one of them, they close ranks and fight the outside threat. 

Right now Biden is being attacked by fellow Democrats. If Trump gets involved, the Democrats might start fighting against Trump instead of attacking Biden. And then it makes Trump look like [even more of] a bully. Which is a card Trump WILL eventually play IMHO, but there's no need to play it right now.
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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #353 on: July 09, 2024, 03:37:03 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 09, 2024, 02:44:14 PM
KEY BATTLES
Applying your polling numbers to Nate Silver's 538 projection
Nate Silver's 538 projection:
  • NC would give Trump 235 EV's, your poll says he wins there by almost 6%
  • GA would give Trump 251 EV's, your poll says he wins there by 4%
  • AZ would give Trump 262 EV's, your poll says he wins there by over 5%
  • NV would give Trump 268 EV's, your poll says he wins there by over 5%
  • PA would give Trump 287 EV's (TIPPING POINT STATE), your poll says he wins there by over 5%
  • WI would give Trump 297 EV's, your poll says he wins there by over 2%
  • MI would give Trump 312 EV's, your poll says he wins a squeaker there

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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #354 on: July 09, 2024, 03:41:41 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on July 09, 2024, 03:16:56 PM
Exactly. Trump has nothing to gain from attacking Biden right now.

this has never stopped him before

perhaps he is listening to his handlers?
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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #355 on: July 09, 2024, 03:48:38 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 09, 2024, 03:41:41 PM
this has never stopped him before

perhaps he is listening to his handlers kids?
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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #356 on: July 09, 2024, 03:55:54 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on July 09, 2024, 03:37:03 PM
Applying your polling numbers to Nate Silver's 538 projection
Nate Silver's 538 projection:
  • NC would give Trump 235 EV's, your poll says he wins there by almost 6%
  • GA would give Trump 251 EV's, your poll says he wins there by 4%
  • AZ would give Trump 262 EV's, your poll says he wins there by over 5%
  • NV would give Trump 268 EV's, your poll says he wins there by over 5%
  • PA would give Trump 287 EV's (TIPPING POINT STATE), your poll says he wins there by over 5%
  • WI would give Trump 297 EV's, your poll says he wins there by over 2%
  • MI would give Trump 312 EV's, your poll says he wins a squeaker there
Some interesting points regarding polling:

First, Democrats have a LOT more EV's "baked in" so to speak.  Per 538's site:
  • Democrats lead by at least 12% for 167 EV's, R's lead by at least 12% for only 131.  
  • Democrats lead by at least 8% for 191 EV's, R's lead by at least 8% for only 132.  


This might keep Biden in the race for the simple reason that it is nearly impossible for him to fall completely out of striking distance.  Ie, if his mental issues continue to be publicly obvious and that causes an 8% national shift, Trump only assumes a 347-196 lead in projected EV's.  Even a 12% shift only gives Trump a 371-181 lead in projected EV's.  For comparison:
  • 306-232 Biden over Trump in 2020
  • 304-227 Trump over Clinton in 2016
  • 332-206 Obama over Romney in 2012
  • 365-173 Obama over McCain in 2008
  • 286-251 Bush over Kerry in 2004
  • 271-266 Bush over Gore in 2000
  • 379-159 Clinton over Dole in 1996
  • 370-168 Clinton over Bush in 1992
  • 426-111 Bush over Dukakis in 1988
  • 525-13 Reagan over Mondale in 1984
  • 489-49 Reagan over Carter in 1980
  • 297-240 Carter over Ford in 1976
  • 520-17 Nixon over McGovern in 1972
  • 301-191-46 Nixon over Humphrey over Wallace in 1968
  • 486-52 Johnson over Goldwater in 1964
  • 303-219 Kennedy over Nixon in 1960

Those elections underlined had a bigger EV margin than what 538 projects Trump would get with an 8% shift and those in bold had a bigger EV margin than what 538 projects Trump would get with a 12% shift.  
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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #357 on: July 09, 2024, 03:57:12 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on July 09, 2024, 03:16:56 PM
Exactly. Trump has nothing to gain from attacking Biden right now.

Think of the Democrats like a group of siblings. Siblings can be absolutely SAVAGE to each other. But when someone from outside tries to mess with one of them, they close ranks and fight the outside threat.

Right now Biden is being attacked by fellow Democrats. If Trump gets involved, the Democrats might start fighting against Trump instead of attacking Biden. And then it makes Trump look like [even more of] a bully. Which is a card Trump WILL eventually play IMHO, but there's no need to play it right now.
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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #358 on: July 09, 2024, 04:38:23 PM »
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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #359 on: July 09, 2024, 08:05:55 PM »
I put it at a 49% chance of a Trump/Trump ticket.  And he'll make some gross comment about having the hottest first lady and hottest VP candidate.  His daughter.
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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #360 on: July 09, 2024, 09:35:17 PM »
well, it might be kinda gross for him to say it, but........

he wouldn't be lying this time
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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #361 on: July 10, 2024, 07:51:42 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 09, 2024, 02:27:12 PM
This is not a thread about Donald Trump, but he's been very quiet lately.
This did not age well.

He was very much on the attack last night at his rally in Doral.
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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #362 on: July 10, 2024, 07:53:11 AM »
but, mostly attacking Kamala
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Re: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?
« Reply #363 on: July 10, 2024, 07:56:20 AM »
I didn't watch the whole thing. 

I heard a lot of "sleepy Joe" and "crooked Joe" a golf challenge. He did mention Laffin' Kamala once or twice.
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