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they're all liars
they all take credit for things they didn't do

when they're called out on it, it's a shrug
never held accountable

"We" have to hold them to account.  The various "fact checkers" will do their checking, but the common theme by supporters is "Those guys are all liberals/conservative" so ignore them, even if their fact checking is clearly correct.

Presidents will always emphasize/exaggerate/misrepresent any "facts" that look good, and vice versa.  Trump claimed we had the best economy ever in his term, which is not correct either.  And in my view, a President has far less influence over an economy than most people think.

I think most voters think "It's he economy, stupid" when assessing a president's actions.  It's usually most of the "conversation" aside from conflicts overseas.  Even immigration relates to the economy.  And in my view, a President has less influence over an economy that most people think.  A President can inherit a bad economy, or a good one, and perhaps Congress passes some "relief" bills in the former case that just about any President would sign.  In the latter case, they mostly "do" nothing and let it ride.  What does a President "DO"?  He can get us entangled in some foreign conflict that can cause issues.  An adept President can influence Congress, but few of them are what I'd call adept.  

Many/most conservatives think our current economy is something close to horrible, many liberals think it's great, all due to Biden.  

I think most voters think "It's he economy, stupid" when assessing a president's actions.  It's usually most of the "conversation" aside from conflicts overseas.  Even immigration relates to the economy.  And in my view, a President has less influence over an economy that most people think.  A President can inherit a bad economy, or a good one, and perhaps Congress passes some "relief" bills in the former case that just about any President would sign.  In the latter case, they mostly "do" nothing and let it ride.  What does a President "DO"?  He can get us entangled in some foreign conflict that can cause issues.  An adept President can influence Congress, but few of them are what I'd call adept. 

Many/most conservatives think our current economy is something close to horrible, many liberals think it's great, all due to Biden. 

There are liberals who think the economy is bad today. Particularly those who would like to buy a home (like my brother).

We have a housing shortage, especially affordable housing. 

A lot of millennials are pretty sour right now. Gen Z is numb.

To me it's fine but there are warning signs.

Where are 10-15 million new people living?

That's a bit of a problem.

There are always warning signs.  I've worried about warning signs since 1980.  I learned by experience that no economy is bereft of warning signs and hand wringers.

I turn on CNBC in the gym, they will feature "experts" pondering about the future, one will say it's great, another will claim we're at the edge of a deep depression.

The issue is that it's tough to view the warning signs and the positive signs all at once, it gets confusing and unclear, just like the future.

Setting presidential politics aside:

When you take all of the data into consideration like ( and this is by no means a complete list)
- national Debt
- labor market
- interest rates
- consumer spending
- consumer debt
- credit performance
- retail property occupancy
-commercial property occupancy/vacancy
-inflation v wage trends
-housing availability
-housing affordability
-currency exchange/value
-business confidence and investment
- fuel prices ( yes, separate from other inflation)

The economy is stuck in the mud and teetering on something worse. 

This is your view, based on your experience and background/living?