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Topic: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?

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betarhoalphadelta

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hey, 4 out of 20 on this board voted yes
I'll go public and say I was one of those four. I probably should have gone with "maybe", but I voted yes. 

The reason for that is that I think the biggest problem with Biden is not that he's no longer "there", but that he's a doddering old man who simply isn't quick enough any more to do something like a debate. 

But the presidency isn't a debate. The President isn't a quarterback who has to make lightning-fast decisions while the blitz is coming. The President has an army of advisers, can have people collating all the necessary information to make decisions and do his job, and can take the time to think about things. When his job is making decisions with the immediacy most often measured in hours or days, not seconds or minute, I think he's still able to do the job. 

That said, I don't think he has the mental capacity to run for the job, which is a whole different set of skills. It requires public appearances like the debate where he certainly didn't show out as someone who trust to be the leader of the free world. You're not going to get elected looking like he looked last Thursday night. The debate was the chance to dispel all the "Sleepy Joe" criticism, and instead he validated it. 

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to answer the OPs question....it's been obvious as day that Biden was mentally unfit to be President back in 2020 when he won. Which is likely why this country has gone to shit- because we have a literal corpse whose brain has melted into the soft serve ice cream he loves as leader of the free world. 

They've done a great job keeping him tucked away and hiding it and pushing their propaganda in the corporate media about how he's "the best version of Joe Biden ever" - but they no longer can spin it. 

Biden will be replaced with Gavin Newsome imo. Slimy scumbaggy lying slicked back haired, much younger, good looking dude that can verbally spar and think on his feet- he'd beat Trump imo and he'd also probably be an awful President and turn the United States into a giant Shit-Hole California. 

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If Joe Biden is too mentally incompetent to stand trial, per Special Counsel Hur, he's too mentally incompetent to serve as president.
winner winner chicken dinner. 

still ASTONISHES me that this did not get wall to wall coverage in the corporate media and wasn't a massive scandal/story. should've been the biggest story in years if not decades and the implications of it are that either Biden's DOJ is insanely corrupt or that the 25th amendment needed to be invoked immediately.

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 Which is likely why this country has gone to shit- because we have a literal corpse whose brain has melted into the soft serve ice cream he loves as leader of the free world.
I'm always fascinated to see opinions claiming the US has "gone to S" under Biden.  That isn't my view, at all, though I don't credit Biden for anything much good.

I think the US is in pretty decent shape overall, with a few major issues, but a lot of metrics look good to me.  I personally am a LOT better off than four years ago, or three, or two.  I judge on how well the country is doing more than me personally.

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It's funny.  In most polls, if you ask people if they are better off than they were 1, 2, 5, 10 years ago, the overwhelming answer is yes.  As soon as you tie it to politics, the answers change.  The majority of Americans are better off now, than they were in 2020.  And the majority of us were better in 2020 than in 2016.  But when you tie it to Presidential election, and people pick up on context clues, the answers change.  "Four years ago" shifts the narrative.

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Similarly, Democrats will claim the country is in great shape while Republican claim the reverse (when we have a Dem in the WH).

Neither are correct, in my view.

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2024 U.S. President (realclearpolling.com)

Betting odds ... Harris is at 17.5%, Joe is at ... 9.7%.    Trump at 55.8%.


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Tides begin to turn on Joe Biden post-debate (thehill.com)

I think he resigns before August.
Maybe he will give the country a birthday present tomorrow.

1. Wake up
2. Parden the Biden family
3. Resign
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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Tides begin to turn on Joe Biden post-debate (thehill.com)

I think he resigns before August.
"reports" are that Biden's wife and son are telling Joe he's fine and continue on running.

this man is a know nothing do nothing 60 year career life-long politician. translation: he's a corrupt morally bankrupt ego-maniac psychopath who thinks he's the most awesome thing ever and was born to lead. god chose him to lead us sheeple for 60 years. people like him don't give up their power willingly. this guys entire adult life has literally been in politics and about trying to ascend to the presidency.

i don't think it is likely at all that he just resigns. i think it's likely they force him out somehow someway- 25th amendment perhaps- and replace him as the nominee at the Dem convention with Gavin Newsome.

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2024 U.S. President (realclearpolling.com)

Betting odds ... Harris is at 17.5%, Joe is at ... 9.7%.    Trump at 55.8%.
The betting odds they list don't add up to 100%.  I assume this is because they aren't listing minor candidates.  

Per their list:
  • 55.8 Trump
  • 17.5 Harris
  • 9.7 Biden
  • 5.2 Newsom
  • 3.8 Obama
  • 2.0 Kennedy
  • 0.4 Haley
  • 0.3 Ramaswamy
That adds up to 94.7% so I assume that the other 5.3% is spread among various potential candidates who each have less than 0.3%.  

Of those listed there are three R's (Trump, Haley, Ramaswamy) and among them, Trump is the runaway winner with 98.76%.  The other two are each at <1% of the probability among R's.  

What is interesting to me is that the D's are much more evenly split.  The percentages (of the total for the four) for the four listed D's:
  • 48.34 Harris
  • 26.80 Biden
  • 14.36% Newsom
  • 10.50% Obama
On the specific question of whether or not Biden gets replaced on the ballot, I read this to mean the bettors are betting he only has a 1 in 4 chance of being the nominee.  

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It's funny.  In most polls, if you ask people if they are better off than they were 1, 2, 5, 10 years ago, the overwhelming answer is yes.  As soon as you tie it to politics, the answers change.  The majority of Americans are better off now, than they were in 2020.  And the majority of us were better in 2020 than in 2016.  But when you tie it to Presidential election, and people pick up on context clues, the answers change.  "Four years ago" shifts the narrative.
Not sure I would be so confident about “ majority” being “ better off” now than 2020.  

and what does it even mean?   Making more? Having your money be worth more or less than 2020?   Safer?  Happier with the direction?

And how much of it is actually impacted by POTUS?

Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
-Mark Twain

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Not sure I would be so confident about “ majority” being “ better off” now than 2020. 

and what does it even mean?  Making more? Having your money be worth more or less than 2020?  Safer?  Happier with the direction?

And how much of it is actually impacted by POTUS?
Which is why it's such a stupid question. And why voters en masse are equally stupid for basically acting on Carville's quote: "It's the economy, stupid."

POTUS can of course have an effect on the economy. But most of what happens in the economy is due to things far beyond their control or scope. 

But in the voting booth, voters often vote based on the economy either crediting the party in the White House or blaming the party in the White House. 

Even asking the question "are you better off than you were 4 years ago" as if it should be meaningful in a voting decision is providing a veneer of legitimacy to the stupidity.

 

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