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Topic: Does Joe Biden have the Mental Capacity to be the President of the US?

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MrNubbz

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I'm in the minority
Yes Runza munching and Saki Beer would certainly land you there
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The story line seems to be "OK, he had a bad start, but he got stronger, quit panicking, he's fine.  And we really have no options."

I think the only way to combat the prevailing opinion is to have Joe do sit down interviews now, and shine, not just do OK, but appear compos mentis and on his game.  Maybe they script the questions, maybe not.

There is a problem of course with this tactic.

FearlessF

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script the questions and many many edits

nothing "live"
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Yes Runza munching and Saki Beer would certainly land you there
Bud heavy with runza

but, when at the sushi place, Saki is gooood!
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medinabuckeye1

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I would expect this from EVERY Republican senator
it's news if/when it comes from Dem senators
Same here.


After the debate I went looking for Democratic takes because I figured the Republican takes could be assumed. Cenk on TYT was interesting. 

His take as a Democrat was that keeping Biden on the ballot was tantamount to supporting Trump and also that it was elder abuse.

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I think this kinda cuts to a sort of interesting central point.

I’m sure it wouldn’t be hard to create a sort of scary sounding list of many things that at various points have all been partial or total Republican aims. And then one could say that’s why a bunch of people vote blue. And maybe that says something about where we are. We’re mostly focused on trying to bulwark against the grotesqueries of the other side.

(I find the bail thing fascinating, purely from a policy/rights perspective, but maybe we can chat that out elsewhere)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/migrant-accused-raping-teen-released-500-bail-despite-ice-calls

Fair or unfair, true or false- I was simply trying to point out that this is the kind of stuff that we see every day that bothers a lot of people, and it has nothing to do with them being Bible thumpers. They see it as a continuation of the direction of the current administrations progressive agenda. It makes them very uncomfortable.  

I’m not agreeing or disagree but just saying it is a incorrect and sweeping generalization to call those who are going to vote for Trump “Bible thumper”
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I agree that illegal migrants accused of raping teens is terrible and one reason the border should be secured as much as possible
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What the polls say after the first presidential debate - ABC News (go.com)

Nonetheless, some post-debate surveys offered other negative data points for Biden's standing with voters after the debate — including those in his own party. In [color=var(--hyperlink-resting-color)]the 538/Ipsos post-debate survey[/color], conducted using Ipsos's [color=var(--hyperlink-resting-color)]KnowledgePanel[/color][color=var(--hyperlink-resting-color)]just 20 percent[/color] of likely voters, down from 27 percent before the debate, rated Biden's mental fitness to be president as excellent or good — that includes a drop from 56 percent to 42 percent specifically among Democrats. And just 15 percent of voters after the debate said his physical fitness to be president was excellent or good, down from 21 percent before the event. Similarly, [color=var(--hyperlink-resting-color)]a YouGov/CBS News post-debate poll[/color] found that only 27 percent of registered voters thought Biden had the mental and cognitive health to serve as president, compared with 50 percent overall who felt Trump did. Among Democrats, only about three-fifths thought Biden had the mental wherewithal to do the job.

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I view this something like taking a poll of OSU and UM fans after a game.  The losing side may dislike their coach more, or the QB, whatever, but they will still say their team is their favorite, almost no one will switch sides.  

Similarly, I think about 40% of the electorate will ALWAYS vote D or R (at times they may not show up in numbers), and only ~20% is open to switching sides.

This is why a President's approval ratings will rarely drop much below about 40.  That's the core, the convinced, the fan base, the partisans (which has a different meaning in another context).

So, turn out can be key, voters may be disaffected with their coach, and then the middle 20, who may not like either "team" very much, but will hold their noses at times and vote for one or the other.

The interesting thing, to me, is Trump clearly has about 30% locked up (he could shoot someone in NYC etc.).  If he could appear to "moderate his tone" (stop laughing), he'd likely sway some of the 20, suburban housewives etc., and waltzing to a W.  You don't need to be crazy any more.

I'm about 50-50 on whether Biden stays in the race.  There is a lot of pressure obviously outside the inner circle, Joe may not feel any of it.  And the recent polls show only a modest shift, so "they" may think they can wait this out.


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every time Joe speaks live on TV or in public from now on, he will be under the microscope.

no way he survives that

even with teleprompters, scripted questions and answers, simple speeches
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Among Democrats, only about three-fifths thought Biden had the mental wherewithal to do the job.
3 out of 5 think he's fine?

They walk among us. Holy shit.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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hey, 4 out of 20 on this board voted yes
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