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Topic: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?

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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2025, 12:10:40 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on December 10, 2025, 10:02:42 AM
I don't see that as a Bama issue nor even a helmet issue.  It is a CG issue.  Bama is getting one more loss because they had to play a CG and the committee basically didn't hold that against them.  They did the same thing with Ohio State.  The Buckeyes have the same record as Georgia and TxTech and those two are Conference Champions and yet Ohio State is ranked higher.  Why?  It isn't helmet, it is because Georgia and TxTech went 11-1 in the regular season and got their 12 win in the 'extra' game while Ohio State went 12-0 in the regular season and got their loss in the 'extra' game. 

Before anyone says that it is a helmet issue and Ohio State is getting the same benefit as Bama please explain why SMU didn't get dinged for losing the ACCCG in 2024 and why TCU didn't get dinged for losing the B12CG in 2022.  It is NOT a helmet/Bama issue.  The committee has consistently shown that they don't want to punish teams for losing CGs. 
Bama is the only CCG loser that didn't drop at least one spot in the rankings, even though they were blown out and rushed for -3 yards.
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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2025, 12:12:27 PM »
OSU conversely has had several seasons where one loss knocked them out of consideration. Didn't matter if they lost to a good team, bad team, or if it was in Sept, Oct, or Nov.
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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2025, 12:35:25 PM »
hell, I'd be happier if my team was in the conversation and I had something to whine about
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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2025, 12:36:15 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on December 10, 2025, 10:56:06 AM
Remember when everyone said we had to expand from the 4-team playoff, because we might be able to argue that the 5th-place team was worthy to be involved?

And some people said "Well that will just change the argument to the team griping about being left out in 9th or 13th"...

And the retort was "That'll never happen. The 5th place team has a meaningful claim... The team left out in 9th or 13th doesn't have CLOSE enough of a resume to complain! We won't argue about that, we'll just tell them 'tough luck'..."

Yeah... That was fun.

Who said this?

The 69th team annually complains about being left out of the NCAA Hoops tournament. 
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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2025, 12:41:24 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 10, 2025, 10:01:51 AM
Hell no, but that's what we're gonna get.

I doubt you'll ever see OSU/Texas again after next year.

It will be curious to see if OSU/Bama keep their H/H on the schedule.
That is an unfortunate inevitability, but on the other side of that coin those teams are going to be playing each other more than ever before... in the playoffs. 
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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2025, 12:42:32 PM »
The problem with the "meaningful chance" theory is that eventually the 12th team is going to win it. Just like an 8-seed has won the basketball title, and wild card teams have won the NFL. So the 13th--first left out--will have a gripe that, given the chance... (e.g., if Alabama were to pull off a title this year, which is unlikely, but not close to impossible, then ND and Texas fans will be in a fervor about their missed chance).

Also, Badge847, I just can't let it go: every time someone says that ND should join a conference, I reflexively think, "well, they'd be in the Big Ten were it not for Michigan and anti-Catholic bias." So blame Michigan, not ND.
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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2025, 12:43:01 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 10, 2025, 12:12:27 PM
OSU conversely has had several seasons where one loss knocked them out of consideration. Didn't matter if they lost to a good team, bad team, or if it was in Sept, Oct, or Nov.
11-1 Bama jumped 12-1 Wisconsin after Wisconsin lost a close CCG to OSU.

Bama didn't play in the SECCG. 
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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2025, 12:51:48 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 10, 2025, 12:43:01 PM
11-1 Bama jumped 12-1 Wisconsin after Wisconsin lost a close CCG to OSU.

Bama didn't play in the SECCG.
exactly. 

Even if you want to argue that Saban earned a mulligan, he isn't there anymore, and they are a shell of what they were when he was. So why is it still happening? 
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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2025, 01:01:08 PM »
ESecPN.
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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2025, 01:05:19 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 10, 2025, 12:36:15 PM
Who said this?

The 69th team annually complains about being left out of the NCAA Hoops tournament.
"Complains"? I mean, we know that typically those teams are around 12 seeds and at most can hope for an upset or two before being taken out... They're disappointed, but rarely do I think those fan bases think they were robbed of a chance to win the NC. 

At some point the size of the playoff grows beyond "not excluding worthy teams", to including allowing unworthy teams* and excluding other unworthy teams. 

I'm gonna say that every expansion gets us closer to that, and I'm thinking we're beyond the tipping point. So we shouldn't care THAT much about which team was one past the inclusion point. 

(* Not referring to unworthy P4 or G5 conf champs; IMHO that's a necessary evil of the structure of the CFP.) 
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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2025, 01:09:19 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 10, 2025, 12:43:01 PM
11-1 Bama jumped 12-1 Wisconsin after Wisconsin lost a close CCG to OSU.

Bama didn't play in the SECCG.
Ironically the Bama reason then is the ND case now, they’re playing good and have high potential. It was the power rating case. 
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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2025, 01:13:03 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on December 10, 2025, 01:05:19 PM
"Complains"? I mean, we know that typically those teams are around 12 seeds and at most can hope for an upset or two before being taken out... They're disappointed, but rarely do I think those fan bases think they were robbed of a chance to win the NC.

At some point the size of the playoff grows beyond "not excluding worthy teams", to including allowing unworthy teams* and excluding other unworthy teams.

I'm gonna say that every expansion gets us closer to that, and I'm thinking we're beyond the tipping point. So we shouldn't care THAT much about which team was one past the inclusion point.

(* Not referring to unworthy P4 or G5 conf champs; IMHO that's a necessary evil of the structure of the CFP.)
I think this is kinda why the current setup seems good.

A field with or without Bama or ND doesn’t feel lacking, but is fine with them. A top-10 with a lukewarm last spot argument and two extras for inclusion seems honestly AOK.
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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2025, 01:29:23 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on December 10, 2025, 01:09:19 PM
Ironically the Bama reason then is the ND case now, they’re playing good and have high potential. It was the power rating case.

This is the rub for the Bama-haters.  Both in the BCS and Playoff era, Bama was argued for by the school, Saban, and probably most importantly, mediots, based on whatever their argument was for that year.  If they had a good schedule with quality wins, that was touted and said to be what should really matter.  If they didn't, but looked like the best team, that was touted and said to be what should really matter.  

It got old, but fortunately, I don't much care anymore.  
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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2025, 01:39:30 PM »
the worst part about bama getting in for me personally............... I'm gonna hafta root for the Boomer Sooners
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