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Topic: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2025, 10:02:42 AM »
I just hate how Bama gets to have one more loss than everyone else before they are removed from consideration. It's always been that way.

They actually are what everyone thinks Notre Dame is.
I don't see that as a Bama issue nor even a helmet issue.  It is a CG issue.  Bama is getting one more loss because they had to play a CG and the committee basically didn't hold that against them.  They did the same thing with Ohio State.  The Buckeyes have the same record as Georgia and TxTech and those two are Conference Champions and yet Ohio State is ranked higher.  Why?  It isn't helmet, it is because Georgia and TxTech went 11-1 in the regular season and got their 12 win in the 'extra' game while Ohio State went 12-0 in the regular season and got their loss in the 'extra' game.  

Before anyone says that it is a helmet issue and Ohio State is getting the same benefit as Bama please explain why SMU didn't get dinged for losing the ACCCG in 2024 and why TCU didn't get dinged for losing the B12CG in 2022.  It is NOT a helmet/Bama issue.  The committee has consistently shown that they don't want to punish teams for losing CGs.  

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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2025, 10:04:19 AM »
I just don't get the hate for Bama.  I get the Bama fatigue but the argument that we should put in a team that got a lot of wins against a crap schedule is problematic for the sport because it will simply encourage crap schedules.  Does anyone want that? 
I don't think this holds up much. ND was punished for trying to schedule good teams. Replace TAMU with Grambling State and they are in the playoffs. The whole thing comes down to schedule, but by the advanced stats ND was frankly better than Alabama and had a better record. So now we are just letting in inferior teams just because...

medinabuckeye1

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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2025, 10:06:29 AM »
Hell no, but that's what we're gonna get.

I doubt you'll ever see OSU/Texas again after next year.

It will be curious to see if OSU/Bama keep their H/H on the schedule.
I get this argument, I've been concerned about this issue from the beginning and I'm uncomfortable with Texas being excluded effectively because they travelled to Columbus to play Ohio State instead of staying home and playing a creampuff.  That said, as I pointed out upthread:
(T)here are some offsets:

  • Miami would absolutely NOT be in without their H2H over Notre Dame. 
  • I honestly don't think Oklahoma would be in without their win over Michigan. 
  • There would be a strong case to exclude aTm if they didn't have that win over ND.  They somehow managed to only play one of the SECs ranked teams and they lost that game by two scores.  Without the ND win they would have ZERO wins over ranked teams just like Vanderbilt, Utah, you and I.  You know what Vanderbilt, Utah, you, and I have in common?  We aren't going to the playoffs. 
  • Ohio State would still be in without their win over Texas but they certainly wouldn't be #2 and they likely wouldn't be getting a first round bye. 
So yes, Tx/tOSU probably cost Texas a playoff spot but other big OOC games got Miami in, got Oklahoma in, may have gotten aTm in, and probably got tOSU a bye.  The impact isn't ONLY negative.  

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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2025, 10:11:42 AM »
I don't think this holds up much. ND was punished for trying to schedule good teams. Replace TAMU with Grambling State and they are in the playoffs. The whole thing comes down to schedule, but by the advanced stats ND was frankly better than Alabama and had a better record. So now we are just letting in inferior teams just because...
This is the problem.  Notre Dame at 11-1 with a loss to Miami, a win over USC, and a bunch of crap shouldn't be in.  

To me it is a matter of margin of error.  Ohio State's schedule wasn't great this year either but the Buckeyes went 12-0 in the regular season and 12-1 after the CCG so they are in.  If you only play a couple of ranked teams then, IMHO, you need to beat them or STFU.  Now if you go 2-1 against three good teams or even maybe 2-2 against four that is better (to me) than going 0-1 or 1-1.  

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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2025, 10:24:56 AM »
any team bitching about being left out can suck it.

just like any other season with any format -  pre-BCS/Alliance, BCS, 2-team playoff, 4-team playoff, 12-team tournament.

schedule better and play better - that's the solution

I wish Bama, ND, Miami, Tulane, JMU, Oregon, and OU were ALL left out.
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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2025, 10:35:11 AM »
So now we are just letting in inferior teams just because...
This from the guy who argued FOR including the two G5 Champs. 

If you want purely the best, drop the cupcake games for Oregon and Ole Miss and have them play ND and Texas.

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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2025, 10:37:50 AM »
If you want purely the best, drop the G5 and any team with more than 1 loss
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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2025, 10:43:06 AM »
This from the guy who argued FOR including the two G5 Champs.

If you want purely the best, drop the cupcake games for Oregon and Ole Miss and have them play ND and Texas.
Absolutely. I'm all for more big games being scheduled. But what is the regular season for if we are going to go with the fifth place SEC team over other conference champs. Makes the season more meaningless.

I also think the committee should use things like SP+ not as a final ranking but as a guideline that they have to explain deviations from. Alabama is 13th - why are they in over three teams that performed better? They should have to explain that. JMU is 24th and Tulane is 42nd, yet we have Tulane ranked ahead of JMU and in a rematch. Why? Too many vibes from the committee, which is my main complaint and why I generally hate committees.

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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2025, 10:50:44 AM »
If you want purely the best, drop the G5 and any team with more than 1 loss
If you want purely the best, drop any team with more than zero losses.

And also drop any team that played fewer than 12 P4 games in the regular season.


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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2025, 10:56:06 AM »
Remember when everyone said we had to expand from the 4-team playoff, because we might be able to argue that the 5th-place team was worthy to be involved? 

And some people said "Well that will just change the argument to the team griping about being left out in 9th or 13th"...

And the retort was "That'll never happen. The 5th place team has a meaningful claim... The team left out in 9th or 13th doesn't have CLOSE enough of a resume to complain! We won't argue about that, we'll just tell them 'tough luck'..."

Yeah... That was fun.

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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2025, 10:57:21 AM »
Remember when everyone said we had to expand from the 4-team playoff, because we might be able to argue that the 5th-place team was worthy to be involved?

And some people said "Well that will just change the argument to the team griping about being left out in 9th or 13th"...

And the retort was "That'll never happen. The 5th place team has a meaningful claim... The team left out in 9th or 13th doesn't have CLOSE enough of a resume to complain! We won't argue about that, we'll just tell them 'tough luck'..."

Yeah... That was fun.
Personally, I think the four team playoff was a low point for college football. This is 12 million times better. 

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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2025, 10:58:13 AM »
If you want purely the best, drop any team with more than zero losses.

And also drop any team that played fewer than 12 P4 games in the regular season.


B.R.A.D. agrees.

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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2025, 10:58:40 AM »
Personally, I think the four team playoff was a low point for college football. This is 12 million times better.
We haven't hit the low point yet.
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Re: Did the Committee get it right, if not, how so?
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2025, 11:03:16 AM »
If you want purely the best, drop any team with more than zero losses.

And also drop any team that played fewer than 12 P4 games in the regular season.


I'm ok with this
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