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ELA

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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #56 on: November 18, 2019, 03:30:51 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 18, 2019, 03:03:00 PM
Ask Nebraska fans if they'd like Bo Pelini's 9 win seasons again.
I'd take 9 win seasons.  He's failed to do that in 3 of the past 4 years, and there's no chance he gets there next year, which is a legit rebuilding season.  If they didn't have the bad losses, and could upset 1 of the 4 big boys, finish 9-3, then nobody would complain about 6-6 next year.  But they lost two unforgivable games, and weren't even competitive against OSU, UW, PSU or UM.
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #57 on: November 18, 2019, 03:33:03 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on November 18, 2019, 02:19:35 PM
That's the thing... I'm sure that he and the AD have been talking, and the AD told him "fix the f'ing offense".

Dantonio tried it his own way [shuffle the deck chairs] and the AD is probably going to tell him in the offseason "this ship is still sinking--here's what you're going to do [hire a new up-and-coming OC and give him free reign] and if you don't like it, we'll let you 'retire' instead."
The AD should do/say precisely that
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #58 on: November 18, 2019, 04:48:17 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 18, 2019, 03:03:00 PM
Ask Nebraska fans if they'd like Bo Pelini's 9 win seasons again.
Hell, ask them if they'd like to be winning 9 games a season running the option (Solich).
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #59 on: November 18, 2019, 04:53:14 PM »
It is a good question when a program fires a coach who was winning 8-9 games a year and whether the next 2-3-4 coaches end up worse.
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« Reply #60 on: November 18, 2019, 04:55:38 PM »
Even Gopher fans insisted that they didn't regret running off Mason, and they were a train wreck for like a decade after that. People are stubborn.
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #61 on: November 18, 2019, 05:01:48 PM »
I was "nervous" about firing Mark Richt, who averaged 9.4 wins a year over 15.  Can someone come in and do better?  Better in this case means winning NCs, plural, and SEC CGs (which Richt did twice).  And thus far, it does appear to be a slight upgrade.

It all hinges on expectations and hopes.
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #62 on: November 18, 2019, 05:07:34 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 18, 2019, 04:48:17 PM
Hell, ask them if they'd like to be winning 9 games a season running the option (Solich).
Solich running the option with Pelini's defense in the Big 12 had potential

10-3 in 2003 with that combo

but, losing to KSU in Lincoln by 4 TDs was more than some boosters could stomach
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #63 on: November 18, 2019, 05:11:54 PM »
Fans always want a coach who can take the team to the "next level". 

They don't always recognize that when you're at a pretty high level, the "next" one is probably down from there. 
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« Reply #64 on: November 18, 2019, 05:14:46 PM »
I talk to a quite a few Badger fans, but not as much as I used to. Most are pretty reasonable - they mostly want to keep doing what they do. Win 9-10, get to a good bowl game, challenge for Indy, blah.

There are some who want more - who want to see playoffs, MNC's, blah. I generally tell them to move to Columbus.
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #65 on: November 18, 2019, 05:22:28 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 18, 2019, 05:14:46 PM
I talk to a quite a few Badger fans, but not as much as I used to. Most are pretty reasonable - they mostly want to keep doing what they do. Win 9-10, get to a good bowl game, challenge for Indy, blah.

There are some who want more - who want to see playoffs, MNC's, blah. I generally tell them to move to Columbus.
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #66 on: November 18, 2019, 05:27:50 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 18, 2019, 05:14:46 PM
I talk to a quite a few Badger fans, but not as much as I used to. Most are pretty reasonable - they mostly want to keep doing what they do. Win 9-10, get to a good bowl game, challenge for Indy, blah.

There are some who want more - who want to see playoffs, MNC's, blah. I generally tell them to move to Columbus.
this is what reasonable Husker fans want

there are plenty of unreasonable Husker fans - I'll tell them to move to Columbus
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #67 on: November 18, 2019, 05:36:27 PM »
Go to Austin,highly recommended,much better
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #68 on: November 18, 2019, 06:05:50 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on November 18, 2019, 02:19:35 PM
That's the thing... I'm sure that he and the AD have been talking, and the AD told him "fix the f'ing offense".

Dantonio tried it his own way [shuffle the deck chairs] and the AD is probably going to tell him in the offseason "this ship is still sinking--here's what you're going to do [hire a new up-and-coming OC and give him free reign] and if you don't like it, we'll let you 'retire' instead."
This is exactly what needs to be done.  The main one that I keep an eye on is Jim Bollman because he was so comically incompetent at Ohio State.  The difference is that when he was OC/OL Coach at Ohio State he was comically incompetent with nearly all 5* players so the end result was still reasonably good.  Now he has been OC and then OL Coach at MSU where 5* recruits don't grow on trees for seven years and the results have been pathetic.  There is absolutely no reason for him to be drawing a paycheck from MSU.  If Dantonio is unwilling or unable to see that then he should be told the following by MSU's AD:

"Mark, we really appreciate what you have accomplished here at Michigan State.  Please understand that those past accomplishments are the only reason we are having this conversation instead of you simply being terminated.  The problem is that your system isn't working anymore.  Three of the last four years (2016-2019) have ended in records near or below .500.  You need to fire everyone involved in your offensive staff and start over.  If you are unwilling to do that then the time has come for us to part ways and you are encouraged to retire gracefully."  
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Re: Dantonio
« Reply #69 on: November 18, 2019, 06:46:56 PM »
Yeah, Tressel's "friends and family plan" with assistant coaches was kind of aggravating as it put a pretty hard ceiling on how far they could go. At first it wasn't so bad because that group included Dantonio, Mark Snyder, Darrel Hazel, etc. But once those guys got poached you were down to Walrus and Mike and Dick Tressel, and they were in over their heads. Then when Urban came on, Dantonio threw all those guys a lifeline, and they've been stinking up E Lansing ever since.
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