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Cincydawg · « **Reply #28 on:** November 17, 2019, 02:04:00 PM »

What would MSU fans view as a "solid decade of performance" 2020-2029?

I don't mean unrealistic goals, but what would be considered a solid decade. Do they have to win the B1G E at some point?

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #29 on:** November 17, 2019, 02:38:06 PM »

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 17, 2019, 11:41:13 AM

Wow, ten entire players? Well MSU should just throw in the towel. There's no way they can field a competitive FB team with that type of penetration into their recruiting base.

I'm sure the Leos never had a whopping 10 players from MI and OH combined until Franklin showed up. What an unfortunate turn of events.

If you could just have a conversation and get over that you're having it with me (gasp!)....10 players isn't anything to scoff at. If 10 random players were hurt and out for the year, ask any fan, it derails your whole season. And to poo-poo it when the starting QB and their biggest offensive threat are from MI....you look silly.

But I'm probably wrong, you're right. MSU's division rival with more historical prestige never competes with the Spartans for meaningful talent. Case closed.

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #30 on:** November 17, 2019, 02:58:01 PM »

So if Franklin wasn't there then all ten would be at MSU, competing for B1G East Titles?

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #31 on:** November 17, 2019, 03:02:09 PM »

Pass.

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #32 on:** November 17, 2019, 03:12:58 PM »

Nice. I think I'm the first one to ever wear him down.

HailHailMSP · « **Reply #33 on:** November 17, 2019, 03:17:20 PM »

There are some big time personnel issues at MSU. I saw this yesterday, “The no fly zone has turned into ATL or LAX.” The secondary looked slow and lost. That probably speaks to the attrition, injuries, and recruiting misses spoken of here.

The big time OC idea is all well and good, but if you are a big time OC why would you throw your chips in this job vs all others on market? Aging Coach on the hot seat, interim University administration, some really good defenses in the B1G West, and a cupboard empty of any talent on the offensive side of the ball. Furthermore, why would Dantonio change his stripes at this point? I don’t suspect he fires an entire offensive staff he has been steadfastly loyal to.

HailHailMSP · « **Reply #34 on:** November 17, 2019, 03:21:59 PM »

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 17, 2019, 02:58:01 PM

So if Franklin wasn't there then all ten would be at MSU, competing for B1G East Titles?

Penn State certainly wouldn’t be the only reason for the talent depletion but it definitely could be a contributor. If you lose 1-2 battles a year to Michigan, 1-2 to Penn State, and a couple each to Cincinnati and Kentucky that has a cumulative effect.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #35 on:** November 17, 2019, 03:34:42 PM »

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 17, 2019, 03:12:58 PM

Nice. I think I'm the first one to ever wear him down.

That's how ridiculous you're being, yes.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #36 on:** November 17, 2019, 03:44:41 PM »

I was pondering Tennessee, and pretty esteemed program historically that had a bad run of coaches, coupled with substandard for them performance. What would a Vol fan consider a "solid decade"? The reasonable ones might say win the SEC East 2-3 times and the SEC once (?), make a bowl every year, make a NY6 bowl 3+ times.

A lot of "this" depends on expectations. No OSU fan would say "Eh, if we average 9 wins a year each year that is solid." Dantonio is obviously not generating the results some/many MSU fans expect, so it's reasonable to ponder what they do expect as "solid".

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #37 on:** November 17, 2019, 03:52:09 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 17, 2019, 03:34:42 PM

That's how ridiculous you're being, yes.

Simply extending your "argument" to it's logical conclusion. I don't blame you from backing away from it though. It was pretty bad.

ELA · « **Reply #38 on:** November 17, 2019, 03:53:19 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on November 17, 2019, 02:04:00 PM

What would MSU fans view as a "solid decade of performance" 2020-2029?

I don't mean unrealistic goals, but what would be considered a solid decade. Do they have to win the B1G E at some point?

if they averaged eight wins the season, and are generally competitive against the big three in the division, I think that would be enough. That would mean a couple of 10-win seasons in the mix which might be enough to get to Indianapolis, mixed in with maybe some 6 win seasons. Winning the division, is tough to gauge the way Ohio state is rolling right now. In the decade that there's been a championship game, Penn State has only been once, and Michigan has never been. so if you're going to judge by division titles than everybody except Ohio State and Michigan state is a failure in the east