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MikeDeTiger

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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #252 on: April 28, 2026, 12:50:29 PM »
Our union recently had our biannual ethics training course. These hours are part of our PE licensing requirements.

During the class, there was a poll regarding the ethical use of AI in engineering. ~80% of the membership considered ANY use of AI in the development of plans and specs to be unethical.

The licensing board had other ideas, comparing it to the advent of CADD.

Dumb.

I was meeting with one of our engineering professors last semester and when he found out my educational background was in ML/AI, he started talking about the dilemma they feel they're in.  i.e., they understand what a great tool AI can be, and they know that between our university's AI policies and just practical reality, they can't stop students from using it.  otoh, there are many things which they're adamant that students need to learn to truly do on their own, foundational concepts that nothing else should help them with, things that if they can't pass the tests/assignments on their own, they should wash out of the program.  There's just not a great system to enforce such a balancing act, nor is it obvious to them where the line should be in that balance.  

According to him, as a collective group, our various engineering depts. professors are not optimistic at the moment, and struggling for how to proceed in this new era of education.  

The last three conferences that have been put on that my department has anything to do with deals with a lot of that.  We don't do this, but we frequently work in conjunction with a faculty-success department whose whole thing is to come up with ways to navigate this new era.  I genuinely applaud the work I see them doing.  

I also think they're all fooling themselves.  I've sat through their sessions, listened to their speeches, and engaged their presentations.  I think they confidence they have in 1) the methods and safeguards they suggest, and 2) the outcome of such cases should their methods even be viable, is, frankly, unfounded at best.  Me, I think nobody has any idea what's coming, not just in the job market, but more relevant to this discussion, in the educational outcomes for engineering (and other) students, and, maybe most soberingly, in the projects in the real world these students will go on to work on.  I think the university think-tank has an overly optimistic view of the human condition--which is where I see flaws in a lot of their suggestions--and also in the eventual and overall effects of AI on true human learning.  

At the risk of sounding full of myself, I'm also pretty sure I understand AI better than at least 90% of the people tasked with navigating and implementing it into policy.  And I'm 100% sure that I have a more realistic understanding of what students are going to do with it, given the chance.  

These are truly interesting times.  

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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #253 on: April 28, 2026, 12:58:21 PM »
Our union recently had our biannual ethics training course. These hours are part of our PE licensing requirements.

During the class, there was a poll regarding the ethical use of AI in engineering. ~80% of the membership considered ANY use of AI in the development of plans and specs to be unethical.

The licensing board had other ideas, comparing it to the advent of CADD.

Dumb.
That jump is going to be fascinating. Like when we fully transition to the idea it’s a just tool. 

Granted, it’ll be interesting when the skill level-to-use aspect evens out.

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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #254 on: April 28, 2026, 01:18:29 PM »
Not seeing AI take the place of me or any of our staff. 

Can't tell the computer to put on the work boots and hard hat and hit the road.
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #255 on: April 28, 2026, 01:30:06 PM »
Guess it depends on the engineers, and the engineering discipline.

There will be a time in the not so distant future when 97.3% of electrical and computer engineering is performed by AI.
Our union is almost all licensed civil engineers, so that probably explains the skepticism. 

Electrical and computer engineering may be using it that heavily. But until it can absorb licensing liability, I treat anything generated by AI with something that is between extreme caution and outright hostility.

The Board's biggest problems with AI is disclosure of it's use (or lack thereof), and the uploading of the client's information to publicly available AI systems.

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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #256 on: April 28, 2026, 01:40:22 PM »
Our union is almost all licensed civil engineers, so that probably explains the skepticism.

Electrical and computer engineering may be using it that heavily. But until it can absorb licensing liability, I treat anything generated by AI with something that is between extreme caution and outright hostility.

The Board's biggest problems with AI is disclosure of it's use (or lack thereof), and the uploading of the client's information to publicly available AI systems.
What is the fundamental difference between quality control that oversees human work and quality control that oversees AI?

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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #257 on: April 28, 2026, 02:13:28 PM »
What is the fundamental difference between quality control that oversees human work and quality control that oversees AI?
Quantity and attitude.

Human work, you know the person who prepared it at least has some idea of what project they're working on.

With AI one must assume everything is false unless and until proven otherwise.

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« Reply #258 on: April 28, 2026, 02:17:39 PM »
Quantity and attitude.

Human work, you know the person who prepared it at least has some idea of what project they're working on.

With AI one must assume everything is false unless and until proven otherwise.
I guess, from the liability standpoint you mentioned, that makes no sense to me. Quality control is quality control.

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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #259 on: April 28, 2026, 02:39:25 PM »
I don't believe in QC. I believe in process control - Total Quality Management.

Quality management by inspection is a waste of time and resources, in my opinion.

Dr. Deming's 14 Points for Management - The W. Edwards Deming Institute
Dr. Deming's 14 Points for Management - The W. Edwards Deming Institute



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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #260 on: April 28, 2026, 02:45:17 PM »
Oh man it's been a while since I saw a good Deming Wheel!



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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #261 on: April 28, 2026, 03:10:44 PM »
It's still useful to us, 25+ years in.
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #262 on: April 28, 2026, 05:38:12 PM »
I took a course in Taguchi Methods long ago.   Interesting but not useful to me.   

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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #263 on: April 29, 2026, 08:37:34 AM »

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« Reply #264 on: April 29, 2026, 12:37:25 PM »
I guess UW is taking this seriously. A whole new college or school at Wisconsin doesn't happen very often. Last one was the School of Veterinary Medicine back in 1983, I'm pretty sure.

University Of Wisconsin Receives $100 Million For Its New AI College
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