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SFBadger96

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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #182 on: Today at 12:13:28 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on Today at 12:08:04 PM
I mean, in the 70s, if we explained what would happen to manufacturing, there would’ve been the existential dread a lot of folks feel now.
But...there is a lot of existential dread in a lot of folks now, because of the change in manufacturing. The Average American (whomever that may be) has been extremely worried about the economy--and their place in it--for quite some time now. AI is just making that worse.
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #183 on: Today at 12:40:15 PM »
Quote from: SFBadger96 on Today at 12:13:28 PM
But...there is a lot of existential dread in a lot of folks now, because of the change in manufacturing. The Average American (whomever that may be) has been extremely worried about the economy--and their place in it--for quite some time now. AI is just making that worse.
As were the buggy wipe manufacturers in the early 1900s.
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #184 on: Today at 12:41:53 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on Today at 11:56:18 AM
I think we're looking at the guaranteed current income model.  Maybe we'll all be poets.
That's my point. There is VERY little good poetry out there, and VERY few poets talented enough to produce it.

The romantic view is that if we all stop doing our dreary day jobs, we'll be able to achieve the artistic heights we simply don't have time to explore today. 

But it glosses over a major problem. Most of "the masses" don't have the talent to produce anything worthwhile. 

So if we all try to become poets, all that means is that we'll be a bunch of shitty poets who can't make money selling their poetry because nobody wants to read it. 
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #185 on: Today at 12:44:25 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on Today at 11:59:17 AM
Which is why I don't buy the UBI fallback in this (or any) scenario.  My stepson likes to talk about UBI.....I've heard Cincy reference it a few times. 

A UBI assumes there's still a revolving economy with money in movement.  If nobody's working, there is no economy.  The government can't give a UBI to anybody because it will be taking in no money in taxes.  Nobody has a job to tax.  The full implications of a truly stalled economy are not grasped by many, I don't think. 

Maybe it could tax the hell out of the AI businesses and the products made.  But I doubt it. 
I think that's what people are thinking... Taxing AI to fund UBI. Take the money from the entities eliminating jobs to support those who have been eliminated. 

But you bring up another point... Right now we're talking about AI taking all the jobs necessary for a functional economy. Meaning creating products and services for paying customers. 

But if everyone is on UBI... What will the AI actually do? What products or services will it provide if it has nobody really to sell them to? 
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #186 on: Today at 01:09:27 PM »
It's really a question of scarcity versus abundance.

In a truly AI-optimized world with viable robotic replacement, in its end state, there should be an abundance of food, an abundance of clean energy, an abundance of anything humans could possibly need.  So there will be no need for money, no need for economic systems at all.  There's plenty of SciFi written along these lines, and also a decent amount of Sci-Non-Fi exploring the possibilities.

The problem, of course, is the intermediate state.  The state where there's not yet abundance and yet humans are displaced and replaced by AI and robots.  That's where the uncertainty and apprehension sets in.  How are we going to get from here to there, and what's going to happen to us in between?

All of this of course presupposes that the AI entities are allies rather than enemies... 

... but I've already talked at length about my feelings on that, and why I'm optimistic that we'll be okay in that regard at least.
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #187 on: Today at 01:12:17 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on Today at 11:56:18 AM
I think we're looking at the guaranteed current income model.  Maybe we'll all be poets.

Quote from: 847badgerfan on Today at 12:00:08 PM
Or dead.


Or both.  In which case we'd be a Dead Poets Society.  



I'll see myself out
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #188 on: Today at 01:20:16 PM »
I'm glad someone caught it.
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #189 on: Today at 01:27:06 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on Today at 12:41:53 PM
That's my point. There is VERY little good poetry out there
Where's Shel Silverstein when you need him
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #190 on: Today at 01:30:36 PM »
Not sure why y'all are worried about bad human poetry when the AI is going to be writing all the poetry anyway.
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #191 on: Today at 01:34:45 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on Today at 11:44:57 AM
But you see... That's the problem.

If I lose my job, how will I buy homebrewing ingredients? I won't have the money.

I mean, I could pivot my career and start a brewery. But if all the white-collar workers who go to breweries lose their jobs, and all the service industry workers who do things for those white-collar workers now don't have jobs... Who is going to be able to afford to come to my brewery and drink my beer?

Ultimately it's humans who create--and then spend--wealth. If the humans aren't creating the wealth, then they're not getting paid to create the wealth, and then they don't have money to participate in the economy. And the economy as we know it grinds to a halt.
Well you're sharp enough so if it gets to that just put on a fedora and moonlight as an AI System hitman. Ya see where there's a Willie there's a Waylon
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #192 on: Today at 01:37:14 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on Today at 11:59:17 AM
Which is why I don't buy the UBI fallback in this (or any) scenario. 
I thought that was an '80s band
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