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Topic: CRISPR and AI

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Cincydawg

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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #168 on: Today at 10:08:46 AM »
I once started a novel where nearly every human lives in a pod, never leaving.  The pod provided for every need and function and had AI available to immerse each person in a sensory experience on demand.  Want dancing bears?  Here ya go.  Nirvana.  Kind of a BNW version.

A few people lived "outside" and it was about them.

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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #169 on: Today at 10:34:54 AM »
Personally I look at the anti-AI upswell as a modern day version of the luddites.  People are always scared of progress particularly when it means the end of certain jobs.

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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #170 on: Today at 10:36:33 AM »
I guess this is a elementary question (just pretend this is the No Stupid Questions thread).....is what I'm talking about considered dev work?  I'm not really trying to code anything or build software, exactly.  I want it to use software in an intelligent and goal-oriented way to mimic how I'd use it and spit out a complicated, specific dashboard. 

I mean, actually, I don't want it to do that, because if it can, then we're all screwed.  But in the spirit of HB's post, I need to start finding out the uses and limits of this stuff. 
OK, that distinction helps a bit.

First, more disclaimers. I would not consider myself a dev, I'm a business owner who can read / write simple PHP (OOP is way over my head) and JavaScript. But I am regularly thinking about software solutions to solve problems and automate / streamline workflows.

IMO, you are attempting to build a software solution: 1) Port data from location to another, 2) organize the data for analysis, 3) analyze the data, 4) create visual output of the analysis. That's software.

I can think of two ways to tackle that.

1) String together 3rd party tools via zapier / make / n8n with custom gpt's / gems / claude skills to perform the analysis and create outputs.

2) Build your own "app" that does all that ^ via APIs and mcp servers, with data and frontend output living on your own hosted platform. This is where you'd use Claude Code or similar.

The analysis layer will be the most difficult and likely require a lot of fine-tuning. But I do think it can be done. The visual dashboard can be done, and done very well with some fine-tuning.

I'll try to revisit this once I learn all about Claude skills / cowork / plugins, etc.

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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #171 on: Today at 11:12:36 AM »
Personally I look at the anti-AI upswell as a modern day version of the luddites.  People are always scared of progress particularly when it means the end of certain jobs.
There's a very large degree to which I agree with you. As well as agreeing with @utee94 that no matter what dire prediction is made, that even if it comes true it'll happen more slowly than the prediction. 

But the post shared by @Honestbuckeye is worth a read: https://www.citriniresearch.com/p/2028gic

The march of technology has been very good for society as a whole. At the time of the American Revolution, according to the interwebz over 90% of the population was in agriculture. Now that's 1%. That's a GREAT thing. The population is larger but a smaller proportion of it is working to feed us--that's productivity. 

We see this across many industries. As technology has improved, it may have had taken some jobs in agriculture, and in some manual labor tasks, in some labor-intensive manufacturing replaced by automation, etc. That has freed up people to get educations, to get professional white-collar jobs, and ultimately to generate a lot more wealth than we had in this country before the technology existed. 

And while that some of those people in agriculture / manual labor / manufacturing weren't cut out for those white-collar jobs due to lack of mental horsepower to complete a formal education, it also meant that there was a LOT more wealth in the economy to support service-sector jobs. Do you think a farmer in 1776 went to go get his hair cut by a professional barber every 3-4 weeks? No... His wife did it once every 6 months. But I do. And a lot of other people do to--making barber a common job. And in a place like where I live, where there's a LOT of wealth, it means that barber makes a HELL of a lot more money per haircut than one where Fearless lives. Incomes are higher here so disposable incomes are often higher as well, so paying a little more for a a haircut here is the market-clearing rate.

Or not even that... In 1776 how many people went "out to dinner"? Pretty much none. You cooked at home--and probably with whatever ingredients you could afford (or grow), not what you WANTED for dinner. Yet we have on this board an entire thread devoted to restaurants, and that we devote an inordinate amount of time thinking about what to eat and where to buy it. That's something that comes from that white-collar professional wealth and incomes. Which means that wait staff here getting 20% of an expensive restaurant bill, are actually making a far more decent living than you'd think.

The article highlights that it's the white-collar employment (and incomes) that fuel a HUGE part of the economy. What the "fear" is from that article is that AI and intelligent robots will hollow out the white-collar job market, meaning that the people who have the wealth and incomes to support the service economy no longer will. And for some of those jobs in the service economy, the robots can do them so we don't need the people.  

The article is that the one moat humans had, the one place we could always retreat beyond automation, was intelligence. We could move up the stack, and then the wealth generated by those who moved up the stack opened up more jobs in the service economy for those who couldn't/wouldn't. If computers effectively replace that (or expand it well enough that FAR fewer humans are needed for those tasks), that engine of the economy disappears. Meaning everything below it evaporates too. We'll have a lot of people but nobody will have anything to do.

What will humanity have to retreat to? The arts? Think of the average American. Do you want to read any novel, or buy any artwork, or consume any content, that the "average" American is capable of producing? Of course not. It'll be shit. The best case scenario is something like a UBI where we all have subsistence income guaranteed, with nothing else to do, and nothing else to give life meaning. It's optimistic to think we'll find new meaning and achieve higher heights as a society, but I'm not sure humanity knows how to do that. So you'll have a bunch of shiftless people who have enough money to provide for basic necessities, who are depressed or drug-addicted or video-game addicted, but have no aspirations or meaningful paths to achieve them.

Now, I'm not 100% sure I buy this thesis. But I understand it. 

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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #172 on: Today at 11:19:03 AM »
I once started a novel where nearly every human lives in a pod, never leaving.  The pod provided for every need and function and had AI available to immerse each person in a sensory experience on demand.  Want dancing bears?  Here ya go.  Nirvana.  Kind of a BNW version.

A few people lived "outside" and it was about them.
I'm sure that'll  replace your travels or baseball camp
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #173 on: Today at 11:26:07 AM »
I once started a novel where nearly every human lives in a pod, never leaving.  The pod provided for every need and function and had AI available to immerse each person in a sensory experience on demand.  Want dancing bears?  Here ya go.  Nirvana.  Kind of a BNW version.

A few people lived "outside" and it was about them.


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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #174 on: Today at 11:27:20 AM »
The march of technology has been very good for society as a whole. At the time of the American Revolution, according to the interwebz over 90% of the population was in agriculture. Now that's 1%. That's a GREAT thing. The population is larger but a smaller proportion of it is working to feed us--that's productivity.
Good post but not sure GMO is a good thing though.The argument could be made that it's part of splicing in the de-population process implemented by the Deep State ;D
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #175 on: Today at 11:34:06 AM »
So you'll have a bunch of shiftless people who have enough money to provide for basic necessities, who are depressed or drug-addicted or video-game addicted, but have no aspirations or meaningful paths to achieve them.
Left out message boards, great over all rant though and I can't see AI having abilities in the art of Zymurgy so worse case scenerio - you're good
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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #176 on: Today at 11:44:57 AM »
Left out message boards, great over all rant though and I can't see AI having abilities in the art of Zymurgy so worse case scenerio - you're good
But you see... That's the problem. 

If I lose my job, how will I buy homebrewing ingredients? I won't have the money. 

I mean, I could pivot my career and start a brewery. But if all the white-collar workers who go to breweries lose their jobs, and all the service industry workers who do things for those white-collar workers now don't have jobs... Who is going to be able to afford to come to my brewery and drink my beer? 

Ultimately it's humans who create--and then spend--wealth. If the humans aren't creating the wealth, then they're not getting paid to create the wealth, and then they don't have money to participate in the economy. And the economy as we know it grinds to a halt. 

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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #177 on: Today at 11:56:18 AM »
I think we're looking at the guaranteed current income model.  Maybe we'll all be poets.

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Re: CRISPR and AI
« Reply #178 on: Today at 11:59:17 AM »
Ultimately it's humans who create--and then spend--wealth. If the humans aren't creating the wealth, then they're not getting paid to create the wealth, and then they don't have money to participate in the economy. And the economy as we know it grinds to a halt.

Which is why I don't buy the UBI fallback in this (or any) scenario.  My stepson likes to talk about UBI.....I've heard Cincy reference it a few times.  

A UBI assumes there's still a revolving economy with money in movement.  If nobody's working, there is no economy.  The government can't give a UBI to anybody because it will be taking in no money in taxes.  Nobody has a job to tax.  The full implications of a truly stalled economy are not grasped by many, I don't think.  

Maybe it could tax the hell out of the AI businesses and the products made.  But I doubt it.  

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« Reply #179 on: Today at 12:00:08 PM »
I think we're looking at the guaranteed current income model.  Maybe we'll all be poets.
Or dead.
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