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Topic: Crazy what-if: FBS schollies

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Crazy what-if: FBS schollies
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2018, 11:26:44 AM »
It would matter for Georgia for sure. It would mean that Tennessee or Kentucky or Auburn or ____________ couldn't come in and even take a kid who might be really good, but Georgia had no room for. The competition is therefore weaker.
Georgia is already WAY over 50 in-state kids. I did a rough check and probably 80% of their roster is GA kids. 
So there's nobody that they "don't have room for". Alabama or Michigan or OSU or USC can still come in and pluck the 5* guys away; those schools will still have 35 scholarships for out-of-state kids and as helmets, can still recruit nationally. 
Notre Dame would be the one hurt the most. Today they only have 7 in-state players. If they were FORCED to increase that to 50, it would mean that their average recruiting class would be much weaker as there isn't enough in-state talent to nail down and there are two other P5 (and one mid-major) schools vying for it. 

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Re: Crazy what-if: FBS schollies
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2018, 11:43:13 AM »
I still don't see an upside to this, at all.

Georgia pretty much signs who they want in state.  They MIGHT miss out on an occasional 5 star who goes to Bama or Clemson etc., but it's pretty rare, and limiting Bama and Clemson to 50 wouldn't matter anyway given they have 35 "other".


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Re: Crazy what-if: FBS schollies
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2018, 11:59:10 AM »
I still don't see an upside to this, at all.
Well, as Fezzador mentions, this is just a thought experiment for shits & giggles. It wasn't offered with a clear upside. 
Of course, one possible upside is that it would largely destroy Notre Dame as a national power IMHO.
I also wonder what you'd do for the service academies? Would they be exempt from the limits?

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Re: Crazy what-if: FBS schollies
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2018, 12:02:34 PM »
Ignore some of my comments. I misunderstood the original post a bit.
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Re: Crazy what-if: FBS schollies
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2018, 01:16:28 PM »
absolutely no upside for recruits

except they wouldn't be so far from home
I would think it would depend on state.  Kind of like the states that have rules mandating a minimum number of kids per in state county.  I know Indiana had that rule when I was there, and dear lord, some of those kids that got in via that rule.  My cousin had the same experience with the rule at UNC.
So the 40th best high school player in Iowa might like the rule.  Or in Washington.  Or Oregon.  Or Kansas.

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Re: Crazy what-if: FBS schollies
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2018, 01:35:55 PM »
the top 3 high school players in those states would have some pressure to stay in-state
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Re: Crazy what-if: FBS schollies
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2018, 01:03:51 PM »
Be a great way to build programs at Cincinnati, Toledo, Ohio, and Youngstown State.

And, a great way to build up UCF, Florida Atlantic, USF, UAB, Georgia Tech, and Bethune Cookman.

Without looking, I would wager a substantial bet Iowa does not have 50 Iowa high school players on its football roster.

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Re: Crazy what-if: FBS schollies
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2018, 01:07:28 PM »
not on scholarship

Iowa State probably does not either
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Re: Crazy what-if: FBS schollies
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2018, 01:13:29 PM »

Without looking, I would wager a substantial bet Iowa does not have 50 Iowa high school players on its football roster.
Oops, I'd be wrong. Counted 58 Iowa players on the roster. Most have high jersey numbers.

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Re: Crazy what-if: FBS schollies
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2018, 01:16:34 PM »
not on scholarship

Iowa State probably does not either
This is probably true. Iowa had six Iowa players on the 2017 Rivals.com recruiting list.

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Re: Crazy what-if: FBS schollies
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2018, 01:44:10 PM »
I think the Huskers signed 5 players from in-state a couple weeks ago

and this was a good year
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Re: Crazy what-if: FBS schollies
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2018, 03:47:50 PM »
I've read somewhere that at least some public universities outside of power conferences have these kinds of quotas to reduce the cost of scholarships for their athletic departments. I think that was 10 years ago or so, so maybe that's changed, though. That said, it's no coincidence that the schools that have started football programs and/or moved to FBS since the 90s (UCF, USF, FAU, FIU, TX St, UTSA, UAB, Troy, S Alabama, Ga St, Ga Southern, App St, Coastal Carolina, Charlotte, Old Dominion, Liberty, UMass, UConn, Buffalo, Boise State, Marshall, WKU, MTSU) are primarily in the Southeast, while a lot of schools that have dropped football in that same period are mostly private schools in the Northeast (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_college_football_teams), albeit they were only FCS programs in the first place.

On a related note, I've wondered how walk-ons who can get financial aid are accounted for. I've heard conflicting info about this.

That said, while this was meant as a hypothetical, you are seeing this kind of phenomenon to some extent with applications and admissions at public universities, including Michigan, which now offers more substantial financial aid to in-state students, depending on their family's income. Meanwhile, the number of out-of-state students has risen for a while, though it seems that they're trying to keep the percentage stable by admitting more in-state students, too, as the undergrad population has risen from 25k to almost 30k since I was in school (part of that may also be more students taking 5 to 6 years to graduate).... I don't mean to go on a complete tangent, but population of 18-22 year-olds has been in steady decline over the past 5 years and is expected to continue for awhile with declining fertility rates, and some people think that could put a lot of small colleges at risk of having to close or merge, which would primarily cause D3 and NAIA to shrink.
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Re: Crazy what-if: FBS schollies
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2018, 04:15:49 PM »
I think the Huskers signed 5 players from in-state a couple weeks ago

and this was a good year
I looked a few years back and 247, which generally lists profiles for most FBS signees, had 19 total for kids in Iowa. 

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Re: Crazy what-if: FBS schollies
« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2018, 04:19:27 PM »
Kids with an academic scholarship are counted against scholarship limits.

That may have kept me off the UGA JV bball team, or so the coach told me anyway.


 

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