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Topic: Conference SoS variance in the mega-conference era

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Conference SoS variance in the mega-conference era
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2025, 01:57:40 AM »
Mark, of the YT Voice of College Football channel, had an idea about using the previous season's standings to create schedules.  Everyone gets an equal schedule based on W-L record of the previous season.

It's better than bullshit "randomness" - ask OU fans about their first SEC schedule when compared to Texas'.
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Re: Conference SoS variance in the mega-conference era
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2025, 09:33:23 AM »
It's better than bullshit "randomness" - ask OU fans about their first SEC schedule when compared to Texas'.
The Texas/Oklahoma difference is stark:
  • Texas' SEC opponents went 24-40, Oklahoma's went 40-24
  • Texas played one CFP opponent, Oklahoma played two. 
  • Texas played three SEC teams that finished .500 or better, Oklahoma played seven
  • Texas played five SEC teams that finished below .500, Oklahoma played one.  
I have no doubt that Texas was better than Oklahoma last year.  When they met in Dallas the Longhorns won 34-3.  That said, if they trade schedules I think it is very likely that Texas ends up 6-2 or 5-3 instead of 7-1 and that Oklahoma ends up 3-5 or 4-4 instead of 2-6.  


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Re: Conference SoS variance in the mega-conference era
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2025, 09:42:13 AM »
6 of those things.

8, if we're counting schools that don't border Great Lakes.  

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Re: Conference SoS variance in the mega-conference era
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2025, 09:43:15 AM »
Good memory.
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Re: Conference SoS variance in the mega-conference era
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2025, 10:25:11 AM »
This conference expansion gimmick has really messed up UGA's OOC slates going forward.

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Re: Conference SoS variance in the mega-conference era
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2025, 10:40:17 AM »
wait til they're playin 9 conference games
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Re: Conference SoS variance in the mega-conference era
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2025, 03:50:29 PM »
The Texas/Oklahoma difference is stark:
  • Texas' SEC opponents went 24-40, Oklahoma's went 40-24
  • Texas played one CFP opponent, Oklahoma played two.
  • Texas played three SEC teams that finished .500 or better, Oklahoma played seven
  • Texas played five SEC teams that finished below .500, Oklahoma played one. 
I have no doubt that Texas was better than Oklahoma last year.  When they met in Dallas the Longhorns won 34-3.  That said, if they trade schedules I think it is very likely that Texas ends up 6-2 or 5-3 instead of 7-1 and that Oklahoma ends up 3-5 or 4-4 instead of 2-6. 
What did A&M's look like in comparison?  Yes, I'm that lazy .  :) 

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Re: Conference SoS variance in the mega-conference era
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2025, 03:57:10 PM »
Well keep in mind for comparing relative SOS that A&M and OU each played Texas, while Texas was dragged down by playing A&M and OU.  Just saying. :)


Also, if you're going to attempt to compare the relative W/L opponent record like this...


  • Texas' SEC opponents went 24-40, Oklahoma's went 40-24


...then you are going to need to remove the games played against Texas, and OU, respectively. Because Texas delivered 7 of those losses to its opponents, while OU gifted 6 of those wins to its opponents.

Actual valid records for relative comparison are 23-33, 34-22.  There's still a sizeable delta, but it's not quite the same.

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Re: Conference SoS variance in the mega-conference era
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2025, 04:09:18 PM »
Ohio State's record is always good because it doesn't have to play Ohio State.
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Re: Conference SoS variance in the mega-conference era
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2025, 04:48:47 PM »
I used to say that jokingly about Alabama.  But of course, you can't penalize the best for being the best.  

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Re: Conference SoS variance in the mega-conference era
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2025, 04:57:03 PM »
It's obviously true.  A top team often will have a weaker schedule as a result.  Texas this year is an exception.

It's nice to see "Texas back" among the Big Boys, I think.  I wouldn't mind seeing USC recover as well, but don't expect it.  Nebraska is just too scary when they are great.

Now it seems Illinois is, um, "back"???

Purdue once had some pretty spiffy competitive teams that could upend OSU.

I noticed our lifetime record vs Texas went from 1-4 to 3-4 in one season.  I say "our" as if I was on the team somehow.

I predict Colorado will end up 9-4 and some NFL team will get a prime new coach.

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Re: Conference SoS variance in the mega-conference era
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2025, 05:09:27 PM »
Well keep in mind for comparing relative SOS that A&M and OU each played Texas, while Texas was dragged down by playing A&M and OU.  Just saying. :)


Also, if you're going to attempt to compare the relative W/L opponent record like this...


  • Texas' SEC opponents went 24-40, Oklahoma's went 40-24


...then you are going to need to remove the games played against Texas, and OU, respectively. Because Texas delivered 7 of those losses to its opponents, while OU gifted 6 of those wins to its opponents.

Actual valid records for relative comparison are 23-33, 34-22.  There's still a sizeable delta, but it's not quite the same.
This is definitely a fair point, I'm just not doing it because it is a tremendous amount of work.  

Also, yes, Texas' schedule IS easier because they didn't have to play Texas.  Same goes for:
I used to say that jokingly about Alabama.  But of course, you can't penalize the best for being the best. 
Ohio State's record is always good because it doesn't have to play Ohio State.

If you look at the SEC teams, most of the winning teams' opponents had a sub .500 record and most of the losing teams' opponents had a winning record.  That is just math.  

If you are Mississippi State and you went 0-8 then there are 15 SEC teams that you could potentially play and the cumulative record of those 15 teams is 64-56 so, on average, your SEC opponents are going to be .500+ and for Mississippi State they were, 41-23.  Conversely if you are Texas and you went 7-1 then there are 15 SEC teams that you could potentially play and the cumulative record of those 15 teams is 57-63 so, on average, your SEC opponents are going to be <.500 and for Texas they were, 24-40.  

I think what probably matters more is the # of games against CFP teams and the # of games against .500+ teams.  Texas still gets kinda screwed there by being good because there were only three CFP teams and since Texas was one of them, they could only possibly have played two.  Similarly, there were eight .500+ teams but since Texas was one of them they could only possibly have played seven.  

Texas played one CFP team (UGA) and three .500+ teams (UGA, UF, aTm).  Oklahoma played two CFP teams (TX, TN) and SEVEN .500+ teams.  That is the part that is nuts.  Only one of Oklahoma's SEC opponents finished below .500.  That is a LOT of tough games.  

Sure, part of it is that Oklahoma had to play Texas which was .500+ and CFP while Texas got to play Oklahoma which went 2-6 but even if you just toss that game out, in Texas' other seven SEC games they played 1 CFP team (UGA) and three .500+ teams (UGA, UF, aTm).  In Oklahoma's other seven SEC games they still played a CFP team (TN) and six .500+ teams.  

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Re: Conference SoS variance in the mega-conference era
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2025, 05:12:30 PM »
It's obviously true.  A top team often will have a weaker schedule as a result.  

It might be true, but it's often presented as a reason why a team performs well, and it's inadequate for that purpose.  A great team has an "easier" schedule because they're better than everyone else, not the other way around.  

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Re: Conference SoS variance in the mega-conference era
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2025, 05:16:44 PM »
What did A&M's look like in comparison?  Yes, I'm that lazy .  :)
aTm's 2024 SEC opponents had a cumulative SEC record of 31-33 so pretty average.  They weren't really good like Oklahoma's opponents (40-24) nor really bad like Texas' opponents (24-40).  The Aggies played one CFP team (TX) and five .500+ teams losing to the CFP team and going 3-2 against the winning teams.  

The 3-2 record against .500+ teams is actually VERY good.  It is the same as UGA and the three wins over .500+ SEC teams trails only Bama (4).  That part of their record would have been enough to make the CFP.  What kept aTm out was two things:
  • The home loss to Notre Dame OOC, and
  • The loss to Auburn
Auburn finished 2-6 on a relatively weak SEC schedule.  There is no way that aTm should have lost that game.  

 

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