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ELA · « **Reply #42 on:** December 04, 2018, 05:33:51 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on December 04, 2018, 02:32:21 PM

I'm not sure everyone loudly decrees who they're voting for. Or at least, not to their kids.

My kids are 9 and 11 now, so the 2016 presidential election was the first one where our kids were really aware of the election and wanted to talk about it. It was also, obviously, a highly controversial bill of candidates, so it garnered even more attention, even locally. But although we discussed the candidates and the issues in the 2016 election, we didn't tell our kids who we voted for. I told them what issues were important to me and why, and how the parties and candidates lined up on them, but didn't tell them who I voted for. I want them to be independent and make up their own minds, and I want it to start right now.

That might be an age thing. Social media posts are 99% political at this point, and usually just posting of articles, usually consistently from the same site. Not that people would ever formulate their own opinion on anything. News media on both sides is nothing but opinions now, to the point most people aren't actually even formulating their opinions from facts, they are formulating their opinions from opinions. I had a Civil War professor in college who said he was fighting a losing battle in academia about the overuse of secondary sources in historical research. If you are just cobbling together various opinions to come up with your own, have you actually created anything new?

ELA · « **Reply #43 on:** December 04, 2018, 05:34:54 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 04, 2018, 02:37:13 PM

I wouldn't tell you who I voted for in 2016 or a month ago, but 30 years ago? Doesn't matter at all, anymore, because the party "stances" are so damn different than they were then. Everything is different now.

That wasn't aimed at you, simply that your post reminded me of my biggest takeaway from that election, and that was that discussion with my parents.

MarqHusker · « **Reply #44 on:** December 04, 2018, 05:42:12 PM »

I didn't know my Dad's politics until I was off to college and he had retired from the USSS. I suppose that was by design. He had a job to do and it didn't matter which letter was next to his or her name. We talked about it at the table, my Mom was more of an open book on the subject, but it certainly wasn't a card to be played, virtuously or otherwise in our household or in front of others.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #45 on:** December 04, 2018, 06:42:29 PM »

Quote from: ELA on December 04, 2018, 05:33:51 PM

That might be an age thing. Social media posts are 99% political at this point, and usually just posting of articles, usually consistently from the same site. Not that people would ever formulate their own opinion on anything. News media on both sides is nothing but opinions now, to the point most people aren't actually even formulating their opinions from facts, they are formulating their opinions from opinions. I had a Civil War professor in college who said he was fighting a losing battle in academia about the overuse of secondary sources in historical research. If you are just cobbling together various opinions to come up with your own, have you actually created anything new?

Amen.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #46 on:** December 04, 2018, 07:09:10 PM »

Quote from: ELA on December 04, 2018, 05:33:51 PM

Social media posts are 99% political at this point, and usually just posting of articles, usually consistently from the same site.

Oh, and shared not based on what's in the article, but just purely based on the headline. Half the time [or more] they haven't even read the article.
I'm still officially a Facebook member, but I now refuse to log in and only use it for Messenger. I can't log in without wanting to punch my friends [from either side of the aisle] for being so stupid and lazy.

mcwterps1 · « **Reply #47 on:** December 04, 2018, 07:50:43 PM »

Wow...this shit turned fast.

There's a cesspool section for the sycophantic Trump supporters already.

It's at the bottom of the boards. In the cellar, where all the conspiracy theorists and wannabe "patriots" hang out.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #48 on:** December 04, 2018, 08:45:41 PM »

It's been interesting to watch this whole process from a reaction side. When someone dies, we focus on the good, especially in light of where discourse is. It's interesting to review the man in full. There was some good, some objectively bad. Even if you didn't like his politics, he rounded into a mostly approved of figure by the end.

I was in kindergarten when he failed to win reelection. We had a "vote" in the class. I voted for him because the name sounded good for some reason. Then I realized everyone else voted other ways, so I just didn't raise my hand when they asked. That might be my most vivid memory of the man.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #49 on:** December 04, 2018, 08:51:09 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on December 04, 2018, 07:09:10 PM

Oh, and shared not based on what's in the article, but just purely based on the headline. Half the time [or more] they haven't even read the article.
I'm still officially a Facebook member, but I now refuse to log in and only use it for Messenger. I can't log in without wanting to punch my friends [from either side of the aisle] for being so stupid and lazy.

To a degree, I think this is the endgame of something that started long ago.
We started wearing away faith in certain institutions and expertise. Some we should've been more skeptical of, but the way the skepticism has come through has been less than helpful. Some of that was shaped, often with intent. (I think one particular media force set the table for it in a lot of ways, and is still doing it the most effectively)
And there's not much way to put that toothpaste back in the tube.

SFBadger96 · « **Reply #50 on:** December 06, 2018, 01:36:23 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on December 04, 2018, 04:18:50 PM

Yeah. Annoying. Apparently they got too upset that Republicans were getting on the ballot and not giving two Democrats to choose from, so they changed the rules.
This year for Governor we actually got a Democrat and a Republican on the ballot, but for Senate it was Democrat vs Democrat. Lieutenant Governor was also Democrat vs Democrat.

It's like the Blues Brothers...
Jake: What kind of music do you normally have here?
Lady: Oh, we got both kinds. Country and Western!

To be fair, most of our statewide general elections are still between a Republican and a Democrat. The front runner from each party is generally still one of the top two vote getters in the primary.
Also, sometimes people in closed-primary states register for a different party because they want a particular person in that party to win. I've done it. I've re-registered so that I could vote for the person I thought would be best--who wasn't a member of the party I normally associate with. I don't see anything wrong with that, but maybe the party purists do.
I always knew who my parents voted for--and it wasn't always the same person. SFIrish and I are pretty well aligned on this stuff, but not always. Since our kids have been old enough to understand/care, we've talked with them about who we voted for (in the big elections) and why.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #51 on:** December 06, 2018, 01:43:56 PM »

2 "real" choices for important state and federal offices. 50 choices for Miss America.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #52 on:** December 06, 2018, 01:46:28 PM »

Quote from: SFBadger96 on December 06, 2018, 01:36:23 PM

To be fair, most of our statewide general elections are still between a Republican and a Democrat. The front runner from each party is generally still one of the top two vote getters in the primary.
Also, sometimes people in closed-primary states register for a different party because they want a particular person in that party to win. I've done it. I've re-registered so that I could vote for the person I thought would be best--who wasn't a member of the party I normally associate with. I don't see anything wrong with that, but maybe the party purists do.

I get the idea. They want to have the two most popular candidates in the general election, and sometimes [particularly in a state like CA where one party is dominant], that might be two candidates from the same party. Essentially it gives more of a chance of a competitive race than you'll see if it's D vs R.
However, I don't like it for two reasons:

Similar to discussions of the CFP, if you're not your own party's champion [i.e. "best team"], how can you claim to then be capable of beating your own party's candidate again in a rematch? You lose the primary, obviously you're not the party's preferred candidate. Yet you then make it onto the final ballot.
It further marginalized third parties. Not that they're going to win, but I'd rather they at least be on the ballot in November, if only for the purposes of protest votes. This would be more akin to the one-bid leagues in the NCAA tourney. Yeah, they're not going to win, but they at least get an invite to the dance.

In all honesty, I don't care that much. California is what it is, and not likely to change no matter how many parties are on the ballot. But I think the optics of it suck.

huskerdinie · « **Reply #53 on:** December 06, 2018, 05:08:04 PM »

The first President I remember was Kennedy; I was in the 3rd grade when he was assassinated. No one really talked about the elections much until my senior year in high school which was the first year 18 years could vote (my birthday, alas, was the day after the election). My government class (taught by a guy from Australia of all things) held a mock vote and the entire class voted for Nixon - which was kinda sad since I lived in South Dakota and none of us voted for McGovern. We never really discussed the issues in government class but had weekly debates in American History class. I don't think a single one of my classmates discussed politics with their parents but we were sure opinionated about current events, including the American Indian Movement, Wounded Knee, the draft, and of course Vietnam. Somehow, all the politicking turned me off of elections and the first one I really participated in was Carter's election.

Having been raised to never talk about religion or politics, to this day, I still avoid conversations about either one. I complain a lot about politicians but I figure if I vote, I have the right to complain. If I don't vote, I should just shut up.

Our current President is the only one that I think is not trying to do his best for his country - Bush Sr may not have been my ideal leader, but I think at least he tried to do what he thought was best. So, RIP President Bush

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