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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: College football stats
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2018, 02:48:45 PM »
Last night I was creating '73 ND.  The Irish are usually good for scanned PDFs of season reviews going back pretty far.  They even have tackles numbers, for crying out loud.  Gorgeous.  

Pre-sack numbers, I'll use TFL.  I created '72 USC as well.  I think I'll set the hard cutoff at 1971.  Even INT numbers are hard to come by pre-1985, for non-helmet teams.  

I'm sure I already said this, but if someone would give me $50K/year, I'd flesh out the statistical history of college football and be glad to do it.
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Re: College football stats
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2018, 02:52:55 PM »
my brother and his son were at the Purdue game

attendance padding got serious for McKewon with the report out of WSU regarding Moos
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Re: College football stats
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2018, 03:40:06 PM »
Attendance padding is/was always known, but lightly discussed.   I've read some from a Madison writer (Oates?) and I 've seen the Wall Street Journal talk about it, mostly though with the focus on the precipitous drop in attendance by students, despite 'selling out' student allotments.

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Re: College football stats
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2018, 03:41:58 PM »
Tackling statistics are notoriously of dubious value.   Last guy to get off the pile, first visible guy on the pile, credit based on the PA announcers call, misidentification of guys.
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Re: College football stats
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2018, 04:15:37 PM »
yup, buddy of mine in high school would always jump on top of the pile after the play was over, lay there until everyone else got up, be the last guy on the ground and got credit for large numbers of tackles he was no where near when the play ended.
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Re: College football stats
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2018, 05:50:25 PM »
Quote from: MarqHusker on May 10, 2018, 03:41:58 PM
Tackling statistics are notoriously of dubious value.   Last guy to get off the pile, first visible guy on the pile, credit based on the PA announcers call, misidentification of guys.
Well inflated tackles numbers don't matter too much, as it's % of tackles made.  So as long as the numbers are inflated for everyone on the team, I'm good.
But the more I play the game, the less I think 'who made the tackle' will be desired by the masses.  I just think it'll give the player on defense something to do.
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Re: College football stats
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2018, 07:04:05 AM »
I think one issue relates to what "stats" in football merit counting.  I bet back in the day they simply didn't think things like sacks were anything more than a tackle.  Maybe they tracked the easy and obvious things and nothing else.

It's a bit like in baseball back when they didn't record a hitters batting average with 2 outs and men in scoring position.
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Re: College football stats
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2018, 07:49:51 AM »
College football was always a highly regional sport, so different teams and different leagues kept stats on different things.  Also, in  team sport like football, the individual stats weren't considered as important for a very, very long time.  It doesn't really bother me, I'm much more of a "watch the game" than "stat the game" sort of person.
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Re: College football stats
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2018, 02:59:04 PM »
Well I was the only one in my group of friends of sports nerds that also played for our high school.  Actually, 3 of us were sports nerds who knew every player on every team in all major sports, one was a band geek, and the other was always on the cusp of being expelled.   But we all played pickup football and tore each other up for fun.  It was lame not having any of them on the team with me.

I love baseball and I love baseball stats.  Damn my luck, the NFL has pretty good records going back pre-WWII, but I have no interest in it, only college football.  

As for sacks, no, they weren't "invented" until Deacon Jones in the late 70s/early 80s, but I've seen some PDFs of stats going back into the 40s that specify tackles for loss.  
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Re: College football stats
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2018, 03:01:48 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 11, 2018, 07:04:05 AM
I think one issue relates to what "stats" in football merit counting.  I bet back in the day they simply didn't think things like sacks were anything more than a tackle.  Maybe they tracked the easy and obvious things and nothing else.

It's a bit like in baseball back when they didn't record a hitters batting average with 2 outs and men in scoring position.
You mean we don't know who led the WAC in interceptions for the month of October in Thursday night games in 1962?  
Dammit all to hell !!!!
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Re: College football stats
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2018, 03:58:11 PM »
Obviously it's also easy enough to retroactively track a lot of that stuff for baseball, that you can't as easily do for football.

Plus baseball scorekeeping lends itself to having pitch by pitch data, whereas even the stuff we *could* retroactively determine for football, like 3rd and short conversion rate or something, we lack the play by play info to even attempt it.
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Re: College football stats
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2018, 12:06:02 AM »
Researching for teams for my game - A&M and Colorado have great sites, with PDFs for each year, including tackles/sacks.  

I don't know where else to put this, but that 1993 Arizona team with the 'Desert Swarm' defense - WOW!  They allowed only 30 yards rushing per game - under 1 yard per carry!!!  Insane!  It was the team that shut out Miami 29-0 in the bowl game.  
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Re: College football stats
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2018, 12:09:16 AM »
I'm listening to the Dodgers getting tea-bagged by the worst team in baseball.  Ugh.

Adding 
1994 Colorado (Salaam)
2014 Oregon (Mariota)
2012 ND (Te'o)
1999 Wisconsin (Dayne)
2008 Texas (McCoy)
1993 Texas A&M (good RB, great return game - McElroy KR 39 yds/ret)

 to my board game catalog.  
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Re: College football stats
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2018, 12:16:06 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 12, 2018, 12:09:16 AM
I'm listening to the Dodgers getting tea-bagged by the worst team in baseball.  Ugh.

Adding
1994 Colorado (Salaam)
2014 Oregon (Mariota)
2012 ND (Te'o)
1999 Wisconsin (Dayne)
2008 Texas (McCoy)
1993 Texas A&M (good RB, great return game - McElroy KR 39 yds/ret)

 to my board game catalog.  
The Aggies called him 'Lectric Leeland.  He was definitely a pretty good player, though I don't know whether or not he was truly "'Lectric." :)
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