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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #196 on: March 31, 2020, 11:44:49 AM »
I had a customer hope/ask if I could make 1945 Army.  
So I tried it, and did fairly well, imo.  The offensive stats are out there, the stars are known.  But I couldn't find everything I needed.  Jersey numbers were tough.  I had to guesstimate one (backup end).
For all of the marveling at their offense with Mr. Inside and Mr. Outside, there's nearly nothing about defensive stuff.  It was the same players playing defense, just zero attention paid to it.  
Some interesting tidbits:
the starting center also played some halfback and didn't play on the D-Line (was a LB-type or DB).
Glenn Davis, Mr. Outside, was one of 3 backs with 20+ pass attempts.  He didn't throw for a TD or an INT.  
The starting QB didn't have the most pass attempts.  HC Red Blaik would start the backups and bring in the starters in the 2nd quarter.  Army was so deep, they'd alternate quarters of play.
For all the ball movement and deception in the backfield, the QBs rarely carried the ball.  
They ran the power T, with no wideouts.  Both ends lined up as TEs do today.  Although sometimes, a HB would go in motion to the outside, pre-snap.
They ran a 5-3 on defense, with the QB playing safety.  He had a ton of INTs in 1946, not so much in '45.
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It would be a neat project to recreate a wartime Army-type team today.....meaning you'd take the best player from other schools and make a near all-star team.
45 Army had UNC's best player, Miss States, a good one from Michigan, etc.  I didn't research that, but could.
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They were masters at blocking - they'd hurl themselves across the thighs of defenders masterfully.  It seems 90% of football back then was either hurling yourself that way or going head-over-heels from being blocked that way.  Either way, you wound up on the ground A LOT more than today.
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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #197 on: March 31, 2020, 11:57:45 AM »
For all of the marveling at their offense with Mr. Inside and Mr. Outside, there's nearly nothing about defensive stuff.  It was the same players playing defense, just zero attention paid to it. 
Could you just use their subsequent NFL stats?

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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #198 on: March 31, 2020, 03:02:51 PM »
Ehh, I'd rather not make a team than do something like that.  
I took what footage I could find and identified the most consistent pass-rushers.  I sort of took 1944-1946 INT data and combined it.  
All I could find was XP data for the kicker, so I took that and subtracted the average difference between XP% and overall FG%.  So it's based on something at least.
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This is why I put the cutoff at 1971.  Going back earlier than that, the only consistently available data is from the famed ND teams (66, 49, 46).  There's relatively plenty online for them, including PDFs of programs and media guides going way back.
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As it is, the electronic archive of most of college football doesn't even go back pre-2000.  
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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #199 on: March 31, 2020, 10:18:33 PM »
Ehh, I'd rather not make a team than do something like that. 
I took what footage I could find and identified the most consistent pass-rushers.  I sort of took 1944-1946 INT data and combined it. 
All I could find was XP data for the kicker, so I took that and subtracted the average difference between XP% and overall FG%.  So it's based on something at least.
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This is why I put the cutoff at 1971.  Going back earlier than that, the only consistently available data is from the famed ND teams (66, 49, 46).  There's relatively plenty online for them, including PDFs of programs and media guides going way back.
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As it is, the electronic archive of most of college football doesn't even go back pre-2000. 
Have you contacted the University libraries?  I know Berkley library at Michigan has tons of old athletic info.

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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #200 on: April 01, 2020, 09:36:23 AM »
Yes, I've done that for some teams, usually from the 70s.  I've emailed athletic departments as well.
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Some of these older teams, I spend 5-6 hours or more on, honestly.  If it's not the stats, it's the jersey numbers.  '45 Army has given me the 2nd-most trouble behind '79 Northwestern.  I found everything except anyone's jersey number, besides the QB. 
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The squirreliest I've had to get, stats-wise, before '45 Army's defense is the UM site for teams in the early 70s has only TFL yardage.  Not sacks, which is fine - it wasn't an official stat.  But not even tackles for loss, only yardage lost on TFL.  I found that to be odd.  It is actually useful, as sacks tend to cause bigger loss of yardage than normal TFL 1 or 2 yards behind the LOS.
MLBs tend to have high TFL numbers, but not for big yardage lost.  And no one in the 70s had a lot of sacks, because everyone was running the ball 85% of the time.  The lone exception I've found was '77 Texas, who had huge sack numbers.  Well maybe they were double-counting TFL and sacks?  No, they have separate columns for each.  That Horn DL featured Steve 'Mongo' McMichael. 
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Anyway, sacks are just ratio-ed out in my game, with an overall team sack percentage - average is about 10. 
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So while precision is tougher the further back you go, I do make sure I get neck-deep before I decide some adjacent stats are 'good enough'.
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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #201 on: April 04, 2020, 08:10:40 PM »
Woo-hoo!  Navy's archives go all the way back to....2000.  
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On a good news/bad news note, a guy in the UM athletic dept got back to me same-day...only to tell me their archive is down until late summer and he can't help me out because he's home.  
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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #202 on: April 05, 2020, 02:58:36 PM »
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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #203 on: April 06, 2020, 04:48:37 PM »
Making all these FCS teams is time-consuming.  Can't build off the templates from previously-made ones of the same team.  
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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #204 on: April 06, 2020, 06:45:53 PM »
You ( @OrangeAfroMan ) may want to consider doing an electronic purchase opportunity... allowing people to order and download... your existing software will do it easily for instant availability (after $ clears)... let them print it.... 

I may have just blown you wide open.  

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« Reply #205 on: April 06, 2020, 07:14:04 PM »
The printing/cutting is the quickest step.  I plan on offering PDFs for a lower price, but I couldn't handle the volume right now.  Maybe in June.
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I definitely see why previous college games only offered a set number of teams, but I want to be better than that.  If you want to take on '95 Nebraska with Dri Archer and Kent St, you should be able to.
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« Reply #206 on: April 07, 2020, 12:12:02 PM »
For their 2019 team, Harvard gets the best run defense rating and the worst pass defense rating in the game.  That's a rarity.  
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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #207 on: April 07, 2020, 02:33:26 PM »
On a good news/bad news note, a guy in the UM athletic dept got back to me same-day...only to tell me their archive is down until late summer and he can't help me out because he's home. 

That's weird, usually they only have trouble accessing recent football history.

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Re: College Football Board game update
« Reply #209 on: April 12, 2020, 06:29:15 PM »
Still looking for posters who'd like to record a segment for the podcast!  One of you guys who made this forum would be a good idea.  You don't have to have bought or played the game, we could discuss any specific college football topic you want.
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Doesn't someone want to have a "best RB" debate?  
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