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MaximumSam

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #294 on: November 16, 2021, 07:58:52 AM »
Virginia Tech cans Justin Fuente. 

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« Reply #295 on: November 16, 2021, 08:53:54 AM »
That would be interesting,does anyone want to see the Canes rise from the ashes?
hell no
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« Reply #296 on: November 16, 2021, 09:05:37 AM »
Virginia Tech cans Justin Fuente.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32643652/justin-fuente-virginia-tech-hokies-football-coach

Tough call,Blacksburg is a beautiful venue with passionette fans and shouldn't have a problem drawing  talent.He did a decent job in Memphis.That would be a good landing spot for Fickell if he's seriously looking.But I thought East Lansing was too but mel has straightened things out
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #297 on: November 16, 2021, 09:19:19 AM »
How many P5 openings are we going to see this year?  Guess?  I'll over under at 7.

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #298 on: November 16, 2021, 09:26:21 AM »
Does Mullen beat FSU???
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #299 on: November 16, 2021, 09:28:36 AM »
Does Mullen beat FSU???
I think there is some doubt they will beat Mizzou, FSU > Mizzou.  They might win two shoot outs though and save Mullen.  I'm not sure of course his career hinges on two wins, even if they win both there are "areas of concern".  Duh.

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #300 on: November 16, 2021, 09:30:30 AM »
Nope on the Canes.

They need to move home games to Marlins Park first. 

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #301 on: November 16, 2021, 09:51:59 AM »
And the defense?
WOW, my preseason mag says 9 returning starters. 

But this supports my point that IU-level programs peak for a year and fall.  Even with returning production.  It just suggests there are other reasons, too....including your point that they overachieved last year.

The bottom line is these programs can't sustain it, which makes them such programs.
2019 Minnesota.....2018 N'Western......they have magical seasons because their base line is....not magical.  And the magic never seems to sustain.
The answer is usually talent. 

I'll admit that this surprised me:

https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/?Conference=Big-Ten

IU, according to recruiting rankings, has the 8th most talented team in the Big Ten, which quite frankly seemed higher than I expected. 

Unfortunately for them, they're 6th out of 7 teams in the B1G-E division, ahead of only Rutgers.

They're just barely behind MSU (also a surprise; I thought MSU would have a significant talent gap on IU), then there's a moderate jump up to Maryland, but PSU/UM/OSU are light years ahead of IU. 

So sure, they may have returning starters--from a team that's less talented than five of the six division foes they see every year

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« Reply #302 on: November 16, 2021, 10:01:11 AM »
How many P5 openings are we going to see this year?  Guess?  I'll over under at 7.
Texas Tech, TCU, and LSU are all already looking.  Anyone else already on the hunt?

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« Reply #303 on: November 16, 2021, 10:08:19 AM »
And the defense?
WOW, my preseason mag says 9 returning starters. 

But this supports my point that IU-level programs peak for a year and fall.  Even with returning production.  It just suggests there are other reasons, too....including your point that they overachieved last year.

The bottom line is these programs can't sustain it, which makes them such programs.
2019 Minnesota.....2018 N'Western......they have magical seasons because their base line is....not magical.  And the magic never seems to sustain.
OAM, I say this nicely. This point is built on the idea that one doesn't look at literally the year prior. They were a top-30 quality team last year, and by some measures actually played a hair better the year prior. Granted, they did have some close game luck. 

I think I'm caught up on the idea of "magical" because it doesn't totally mean anything. It kind of means, I heard about that and remember it. Like, 2020 was more magical than 2018 for NW. And 2018 came a year after a 2017 team that was frankly better by most metrics. Now, the 2018 team did pull up from just a horrendous start to earn the right to get slaughtered by OSU, but that kind of is the NW baseline. They swing all the hell over the place. In the past 10 seasons, 2018 was the fifth-best in winning percentage. They also missed four bowls, two close, two not, and threw in a 7-6.

(The idea it never seems to sustain just feels like CFB. Nothing sustains. That's part of the joy)

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #304 on: November 16, 2021, 10:09:40 AM »
Texas Tech, TCU, and LSU are all already looking.  Anyone else already on the hunt?

USC VT off the top of my head.

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #305 on: November 16, 2021, 10:33:33 AM »
OAM, I say this nicely. This point is built on the idea that one doesn't look at literally the year prior. They were a top-30 quality team last year, and by some measures actually played a hair better the year prior. Granted, they did have some close game luck.

I think I'm caught up on the idea of "magical" because it doesn't totally mean anything. It kind of means, I heard about that and remember it. Like, 2020 was more magical than 2018 for NW. And 2018 came a year after a 2017 team that was frankly better by most metrics. Now, the 2018 team did pull up from just a horrendous start to earn the right to get slaughtered by OSU, but that kind of is the NW baseline. They swing all the hell over the place. In the past 10 seasons, 2018 was the fifth-best in winning percentage. They also missed four bowls, two close, two not, and threw in a 7-6.

(The idea it never seems to sustain just feels like CFB. Nothing sustains. That's part of the joy)
"Magical" is just another word for outlier. 

There are 130 teams in college football. Each year, teams will overperform their talent level in the W-L metric. Each year, teams will underperform their talent level in the W-L metric. This happens mostly due to the randomness of life, and that with a large enough sample size (n=130), you can expect there are going to be a few teams that are extreme outliers. 

But we're human. We like narratives and reasons. We hate that something that we saw was just randomness; we want to ascribe meaning to it. In August, it's really difficult to identify which teams will be those outliers. But in August 2021, we look at the previous season and see those outliers (2020 IU) and assume the outlier nature of events signified some actual meaning and then predict that IU will again be good. 

Purdue "sucked" in 2020. Started 2-0 and then "collapsed" with 4 straight losses to finish 2-4. 

Purdue was also 7th in conference in scoring offense in 2020. 8th in scoring defense. Out of 14 teams, that's "middle of the pack". Every one of Purdue's games was close--their first 5 games were all one-score games, and even the final game against Nebraska was only a 10 point loss. Their average margin was -2.67 points per game--less than a field goal.

Narrative-wise, Purdue "started hot" then "collapsed" and "sucked". But they were a mid-pack Big Ten team statistically and didn't blow out, or weren't blown out by, any team on their schedule. But by the narrative, Purdue now at 6-4 looks like some sort of amazing resurgence after a "terrible" 2020, despite the fact that when you look at all games against P5 competition (i.e. removing should-be-FCS UConn), Purdue's average margin in games this year is -2.22 points

Indiana's 2020 result was an outlier. That doesn't mean they're a terrible team, but they're not a team you would expect to go 6-1 against B1G competition, particularly in the B1G-E division. Predicting that the outlier status would continue into 2021 is a bad bet, even though it was well within the possible range of 2021 outcomes. 

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #306 on: November 16, 2021, 10:37:36 AM »
USC VT off the top of my head.
don't forget Washington
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #307 on: November 16, 2021, 10:42:12 AM »
"Magical" is just another word for outlier.
So, I might amend this to "memorable," mainly to the person saying it, or at least an outlier in a very specific context. 

IU was an outlier last year, but it wasn't like 3-9, 3-9, 6-2. They had a baseline of almost a bowl team or just barely a bowl team in a tough division for four seasons. Then they fielded a pretty good team that went 8-5, and was a single stop away from 9-4. Then last year, then the fall. 

Win percentage wise, they went from 8-5 quality to the equivalent of 9.75 wins in 13 games. Like, if felt different and involved more memorable wins (in part because the name teams they beat were not all that good), but it's more feeling of outlier than true single-season outlier. 

 

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