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utee94

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #350 on: November 17, 2021, 12:35:25 PM »
I heard Fearless say it once, so it must be true.



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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #351 on: November 17, 2021, 12:54:01 PM »
That's true as well.  Honestly college football was way more fun back then.
Every 25-30 yrs all of the old Timers repeat this
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #352 on: November 17, 2021, 01:01:43 PM »
do you always need to personalize it?
Hey I left the Husker Prick Squad out of it - you're welcome
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #353 on: November 17, 2021, 01:17:57 PM »
Same thing was true for Nebraska leaving for the B1G.  You gonna criticize that move equally?
yes, I will also criticize the Razorbacks for the fall of the SWC and the Husker/Sooners for the creation of the Big 12

8 -10 conference members is enough

12-16 is too many
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #354 on: November 17, 2021, 01:21:28 PM »
Hey I left the Husker Prick Squad out of it - you're welcome
the Husker Prick Squad disappeared when Fearless Frankie Solich left Lincoln
that was nearly 20 years ago
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #355 on: November 17, 2021, 01:24:34 PM »
yes, I will also criticize the Razorbacks for the fall of the SWC and the Husker/Sooners for the creation of the Big 12

8 -10 conference members is enough

12-16 is too many

10 is good.  9 conference games, 3 OOC games.  Full roundrobin, no CCG.


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« Reply #356 on: November 17, 2021, 01:26:13 PM »
yup
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« Reply #357 on: November 17, 2021, 01:27:07 PM »
so- saw Ryan Leaf talk about USC and I think he may have a point- he says he thinks big city college football programs might not ever be able to sustain. LA there is just too much to do. Same thing with Miami. These programs are after thoughts to the people who live in these cities. He thinks college football is all about the small towns where everyone is all-in all the time. 

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« Reply #358 on: November 17, 2021, 01:30:02 PM »
so- saw Ryan Leaf talk about USC and I think he may have a point- he says he thinks big city college football programs might not ever be able to sustain. LA there is just too much to do. Same thing with Miami. These programs are after thoughts to the people who live in these cities. He thinks college football is all about the small towns where everyone is all-in all the time.

Maybe for very large cities, but Columbus, OH isn't a small college town and the city (and really the state) care very much about Buckeye football. 

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #359 on: November 17, 2021, 01:35:52 PM »
I think it's quasi-regional, few in NY state care about CFB.  Many in say Georgia, and Atlanta, do.

I'm sure folks in Houston and Dallas do.

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« Reply #360 on: November 17, 2021, 01:44:40 PM »
so- saw Ryan Leaf talk about USC and I think he may have a point- he says he thinks big city college football programs might not ever be able to sustain. LA there is just too much to do. Same thing with Miami. These programs are after thoughts to the people who live in these cities. He thinks college football is all about the small towns where everyone is all-in all the time.
Ehh... I'm not sure I entirely buy it. Texas would be a potential counterpoint there, given that Austin is a pretty sizable town (if not exactly "big city"), state capitol, etc.

I think part of it might be school size. UT-Austin enrolls ~40K undergrads and ~10K grad students. USC is ~20K/8K. Miami is ~11K/7K. 

This is important for two reasons: 

  • Having a large, captive, student population on campus fills seats on Saturday. You're not going to get all of them, of course, but let's say you get 50%. Half of 50K is a lot more seats filled than half of 28K or half of 18K. 
  • Having a large enrollment means that you have a LOT more alumni than schools with smaller enrollments. Thus if you only get 5-10% of the alumni regularly following the teams and/or attending games, that's a MUCH bigger group for a school with larger enrollment. 


I think there's something to it, of course. When the football team is literally the only game in town, you probably tend to see a lot fewer fairweather fans. They're coming to the game when the team sucks, and coming to the game when the team is good, because watching bad football on a fall Saturday is at least an event.

That is harder to sustain fan engagement in a big city when the team sucks. In SoCal, for example, there were TONS of USC fans around during the Pete Carroll era, and they're not wearing Trojan gear now that USC sucks. But you see USC or Miami catch a little resurgence, and all of a sudden those fans will be all-in again. 


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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #361 on: November 17, 2021, 01:47:49 PM »
a winner attracts fans and support

when Pete the Cheat was there winning USC was doing swell

same with John McKay, Ted Tollner, Larry Smith, and John Robinson
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #362 on: November 17, 2021, 01:49:19 PM »
Ehh... I'm not sure I entirely buy it. Texas would be a potential counterpoint there, given that Austin is a pretty sizable town (if not exactly "big city"), state capitol, etc.

I think part of it might be school size. UT-Austin enrolls ~40K undergrads and ~10K grad students. USC is ~20K/8K. Miami is ~11K/7K.

This is important for two reasons:

  • Having a large, captive, student population on campus fills seats on Saturday. You're not going to get all of them, of course, but let's say you get 50%. Half of 50K is a lot more seats filled than half of 28K or half of 18K.
  • Having a large enrollment means that you have a LOT more alumni than schools with smaller enrollments. Thus if you only get 5-10% of the alumni regularly following the teams and/or attending games, that's a MUCH bigger group for a school with larger enrollment.


I think there's something to it, of course. When the football team is literally the only game in town, you probably tend to see a lot fewer fairweather fans. They're coming to the game when the team sucks, and coming to the game when the team is good, because watching bad football on a fall Saturday is at least an event.

That is harder to sustain fan engagement in a big city when the team sucks. In SoCal, for example, there were TONS of USC fans around during the Pete Carroll era, and they're not wearing Trojan gear now that USC sucks. But you see USC or Miami catch a little resurgence, and all of a sudden those fans will be all-in again.



No pro sports in Austin, either, while there are tons of pro sports in LA and Miami.

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #363 on: November 17, 2021, 01:57:46 PM »
Every 25-30 yrs all of the old Timers repeat this
And in truth, it’s us that changed more than the game itself. 

 

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