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utee94

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1246 on: December 17, 2021, 10:39:53 AM »
Quote from: Abba on December 17, 2021, 10:12:09 AM
I hope you guys are right, but it would not shock me if one of the big hires from this carousel flames out and the boosters demand Urban be hired.

I mean, it was okay for Florida and Ohio State, but you don't think anyone else should benefit from his coaching skill?
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« Reply #1247 on: December 17, 2021, 10:45:09 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 17, 2021, 10:39:53 AM
I mean, it was okay for Florida and Ohio State, but you don't think anyone else should benefit from his coaching skill?
Well despite what everyone says, when he was at Ohio State his players actually loved him, the families of the players actually loved him and he really didn’t have much controversy until the end with the whole Zak Smith thing.

No he’s considered a complete tyrant, A coach who abuses players, a coach who is insensitive to racial issues, and who hard Time keeping his pants zipped up. Granted it appears that much of that is grossly exaggerated and the media is piling on because he is so smug, but the point is his brand is tarnished pretty badly now. 
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1248 on: December 17, 2021, 10:46:26 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 17, 2021, 09:52:38 AM
I think Urbs is done. The brand is tarnished.
Hope you're right,some one has to take the High Road on character behavior.I remember when Urbz signed in C-Bus,Gatorama was saying he'd meet with success/scrutiny and be popular/polarizing - YUP
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1249 on: December 17, 2021, 10:47:51 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 17, 2021, 10:45:09 AM
Well despite what everyone says, when he was at Ohio State his players actually loved him, the families of the players actually loved him and he really didn’t have much controversy until the end with the whole Zak Smith thing.

No he’s considered a complete tyrant, A coach who abuses players, a coach who is insensitive to racial issues, and who hard Time keeping his pants zipped up. Granted it appears that much of that is grossly exaggerated and the media is piling on because he is so smug, but the point is his brand is tarnished pretty badly now.

He had a reputation for all sorts of things at Florida, and Ohio State still hired him.  Did it tarnish Ohio State's reputation?  Are y'all striking the record book clean, sending back all the B1G championship and national championship trophies?
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1250 on: December 17, 2021, 10:48:20 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 17, 2021, 10:39:53 AM
I mean, it was okay for Florida and Ohio State, but you don't think anyone else should benefit from his coaching skill?
I have no problem if he lands on the 40 Acres,seems with each passing campaign he's just more of a skank though
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1251 on: December 17, 2021, 10:48:43 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on December 17, 2021, 10:46:26 AM
Hope you're right,some one has to take the High Road on character behavior.I remember when Urbz signed in C-Bus,Gatorama was saying he'd meet with success/scrutiny and be popular/polarizing - YUP
So you plan to strike all of his records at Ohio State, forfeit all those games, and give back all the trophies?  That's what "Taking the high road" would entail.
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« Reply #1252 on: December 17, 2021, 10:51:06 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 17, 2021, 10:47:51 AM
He had a reputation for all sorts of things at Florida, and Ohio State still hired him.  Did it tarnish Ohio State's reputation?  Are y'all striking the record book clean, sending back all the B1G championship and national championship trophies?

Well OSU got burned by the Zach Smith thing.  While that didn’t change Anything on the field you could say that it did tarnish the buckeyes reputation.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1253 on: December 17, 2021, 10:51:57 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on December 17, 2021, 10:48:20 AM
I have no problem if he lands on the 40 Acres,seems with each passing campaign he's just more of a skank though

I think it's moot, because despite MDot's impassioned insistence, I don't think Urbs will land at Texas.

But it seems somewhat hypocritical for fans of a school that benefitted from his coaching skill, despite his shady character issues, to proclaim that nobody else should hire him.
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« Reply #1254 on: December 17, 2021, 10:55:22 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 17, 2021, 10:51:57 AM
I think it's moot, because despite MDot's impassioned insistence, I don't think Urbs will land at Texas.

But it seems somewhat hypocritical for fans of a school that benefitted from his coaching skill, despite his shady character issues, to proclaim that nobody else should hire him.
There’s a difference between “should“ hire him and “will“ hire him.  

I don’t care either way. I’m just best guessing that the coaching part might be over just because of the level of media pounding and vitriol associated with this Jacksonville job.

I could be totally wrong about that. Who knows
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1255 on: December 17, 2021, 10:58:55 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 16, 2021, 08:52:21 PM
I'm calling my shot now....Sark is gonna f'ng suck again in 2022, this will all cool down...Texas gonna fire Sark and go all in on Urban. Urban going to win a title at Texas with Ewers year 1 or 2.

100% down with Texas running off Sark in bad faith and throwing $100M at Meyer. A good Texas is a fun Texas until becoming intolerable again.
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« Reply #1256 on: December 17, 2021, 11:00:28 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 17, 2021, 09:52:38 AM
I think Urbs is done. The brand is tarnished.
Nah. The stench will wear off in a year or so, and some program with a lot of money that's never won (A&M) and is desperate to win or a former great program on hard times that is desperate to get back (Texas) will hire him. 

Winning washes off any tarnish really quickly. Urban will land somewhere in college and win a crap ton of games. 
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1257 on: December 17, 2021, 11:36:43 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on December 17, 2021, 11:00:28 AM

Winning washes off any tarnish really quickly. Urban will land somewhere in college and win a crap ton of games.
THIS.

If the Jags were 10-2, Meyer would be dealing with minor non-stories this season.  They'd go away.  People would care less.  Fewer clicks.  Because he was winning.  The word out of Jacksonville would be all positive.  

It's not complicated.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1258 on: December 17, 2021, 12:43:48 PM »
Yep, I think someone will give him another chance.  From what I remember:

Florida Tenure: A ton of player arrests.  Gets some blame for Aron Hernandez I guess.  To some extent, you can say the coach can't control everything, but maybe it was the character of players he brought in.  Even St. Tressel had some issues with this in the early parts of his Buckeye tenure.

Ohio State Tenure:  No arrest problems like at Florida, but the Zach Smith debacle was the main problem.  It was also pretty obvious he was lying when questioned about it.  

At this point, I don't think he had done anything egregious and could be hired on as a CFB coach elsewhere.

Jags "Tenure": Hiring the Iowa strength coach (tone-deaf), the escapade in Cbus (like in 2018, I don't think he understands how technology works -- phones can take video, text messages can be examined), and then all of the other random allegations that came out.

Really, I would think the Jags tenure is what would eliminate him from contention for a CFB job, but I'm sure he will still get offers.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #1259 on: December 17, 2021, 01:15:41 PM »
Maybe this is more serious than laying low for a year.

I sentence Urbs to two years as an analyst in Tuscaloosa before he's considered redeemed.
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