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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #224 on: December 20, 2020, 08:06:49 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on December 20, 2020, 03:24:29 PM
The problem is that you could have guessed these playoff teams at the beginning of the season.
and the year before and the year before that
funny how some teams are very good 2, 3, 4 years in a row
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #225 on: December 20, 2020, 08:11:12 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on December 20, 2020, 03:10:04 PM
Right, although technically each year and each version of each team  is supposed to be judged in a bubble.

I get the come back to that is “yeah, well maybe it’s supposed to work like that but it doesn’t.”  But that should be the goal.
let me know how you explain this to the committee
you're not wrong, but.......... that's not how the world works
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #226 on: December 20, 2020, 08:18:18 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on December 20, 2020, 07:58:04 PM
The issue is you are saying the games shouldn't even be played, despite strong evidence that you reference that great G5 teams can play with great P5 teams.
Sam you may get your expanded playoffs.It'll be watered down by vacating talent migrating to prepare for the draft.Asking too much of the top talent to allow the FIELD to play by extending an already long season - longer.Just to prove more often than not they were right in the 1st place.Ask all the those who feel jilted if they wouldn't mind scheduling the blue bloods next season to fill their 25,000 seat stadiums.What we have isn't any worse than the BCS making so called educated guesses.
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #227 on: December 20, 2020, 08:24:45 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 20, 2020, 05:40:48 PM
Not a surprise that it was brought up. As you say it’s been a discussion point, and should be, four weeks.

What surprises me is that the voices of college football like Reese Davis and Richard Fowler, and coaches at several of the biggest universities are completely hung up and obsessed about it. Even after the decision was made in the playoffs selections were announced and their team made it in, they are still obsessing about it. 
I would say no one except Ohio St fans think the talking heads are obsessing about it.  My guess is Ohio St fans are obsessing over them talking about it.

 One of things I’ve always liked about the CFP is they wait several weeks into the season to release rankings so the results determine the rankings, not their expectations.  The first rankings the CFP ever released had Mississippi St ranked #1 over Florida St despite the fact FSU was undefeated, the defending NC, had the defending Heisman winner, and had been ranked #1 in both preseason polls.  Mississippi St was unranked in the preseason.  There was an expectation FSU would be much better than MSU but the committee let the results play out and put Mississippi St ahead of them. I liked that.

When the initial polls were released Ohio St was ranked #4 b/c the CFP expected they would be good.  Their limited results were good but the ranking had more to do with the CFP’s preconceived notion of them.  For the first time the CFP seemed to by saying, “We already believe you’re good, now don’t screw it up.”  Give the majority of the teams those same results after 4 games, while other teams had played 7 or 8 at that point, and they don’t start 4 out of the gate.  That ranking had as much to do with the 2019 Buckeyes as the 2020 squad.  
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #228 on: December 20, 2020, 08:34:18 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 20, 2020, 08:11:12 PM
let me know how you explain this to the committee
you're not wrong, but.......... that's not how the world works
How would I explain it?  I’d just tell them to discipline themselves and do what they are supposed to do. Judge teams on this year only. Previous versions of the CFP have actually done that.   Look at my post regarding Mississippi St’s initial ranking in 2014.  That committee didn’t let the previous year’s version of Mississippi St and Florida St come into play where they had them in 2014.

If they could do it this committee could have done it.
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #229 on: December 20, 2020, 08:45:35 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 20, 2020, 07:51:33 PM
Has a G5 team EVER beaten a P5 team who was in the top 10 AND hadn't just lost it's chance at a national championship/playoff appearance their previous game?

Ever? 

Utah beat an Alabama team that had lost out on it's NC goal the game before.
UCF beat an Auburn team in the same situation. 
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In other words, has a P5 team ever beaten a top 10 P5 team with it's season goals still in play?  This might be the reason against an expanded playoff/Cincinnati situation that seems so inherent to me.
Houston and Tom Herman beat the No. 3 team in the country twice in 2016. 

(It's weird because obviously most of those games happen early in the year, so teams are still paper tiger-ish to a degree. It obviously can't happen in a bowl and is super rare in the second half of the season). 
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #230 on: December 20, 2020, 08:46:49 PM »
you can explain it to them, but you can't force them to discipline themselves
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #231 on: December 20, 2020, 08:47:10 PM »
“NEWS: Big Ten players who test positive for COVID-19 will only be required to miss 17 days, a reduction from 21, according to a document obtained by ESPN showing new policy from B1G's return to competition task force medical subcommittee. Same cardiac protocols will remain,” Rittenberg tweeted.

Ohio State play-making wide receiver Chris Olave was one of 22 players out for the Buckeyes ahead of Saturday's Big Ten Championship Game vs. Northwestern. It was unclear why the players were out whether it was due to COVID-19 or injuries or a mix of both.

In addition to Olave, the following players were on Ohio State's status report and listed as out: Cam Brown; Baron Browning; Steele Chambers; Drue Chrisman ;Jacolbe Cowan; Tommy Eichenberg; Tyler Friday; Zaid Hamdan; Jaylen Harris; Gunnar Hoak; Javontae Jean-Baptiste; Cade Kacherski; Jagger Laroe; Corey Rau; Ben Schmiesing; Bryson Shaw; Ryan Smith; Jaxson Smith-Njigba; Alec Taylor; Kourt Williams.
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #232 on: December 20, 2020, 10:33:56 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 20, 2020, 08:47:10 PM
“NEWS: Big Ten players who test positive for COVID-19 will only be required to miss 17 days, a reduction from 21, according to a document obtained by ESPN showing new policy from B1G's return to competition task force medical subcommittee. Same cardiac protocols will remain,” Rittenberg tweeted.

Ohio State play-making wide receiver Chris Olave was one of 22 players out for the Buckeyes ahead of Saturday's Big Ten Championship Game vs. Northwestern. It was unclear why the players were out whether it was due to COVID-19 or injuries or a mix of both.

In addition to Olave, the following players were on Ohio State's status report and listed as out: Cam Brown; Baron Browning; Steele Chambers; Drue Chrisman ;Jacolbe Cowan; Tommy Eichenberg; Tyler Friday; Zaid Hamdan; Jaylen Harris; Gunnar Hoak; Javontae Jean-Baptiste; Cade Kacherski; Jagger Laroe; Corey Rau; Ben Schmiesing; Bryson Shaw; Ryan Smith; Jaxson Smith-Njigba; Alec Taylor; Kourt Williams.

Big Ten leadership has come around a little from their original stance back in the summer, huh?
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #233 on: December 20, 2020, 10:39:06 PM »
it's all about the money

now

wasn't in the summer
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #234 on: December 20, 2020, 10:52:10 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on December 20, 2020, 08:45:35 PM
Houston and Tom Herman beat the No. 3 team in the country twice in 2016.

(It's weird because obviously most of those games happen early in the year, so teams are still paper tiger-ish to a degree. It obviously can't happen in a bowl and is super rare in the second half of the season).
Thank you.

Yeah, after posting, I realized there's probably not much of a sample either way.
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #235 on: December 21, 2020, 06:17:58 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on December 20, 2020, 10:39:06 PM
it's all about the money

now

wasn't in the summer
What was it about back in the summer?


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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #236 on: December 21, 2020, 06:40:15 AM »
Quote from: Kris60 on December 20, 2020, 08:34:18 PM
How would I explain it?  I’d just tell them to discipline themselves and do what they are supposed to do. Judge teams on this year only. Previous versions of the CFP have actually done that.  Look at my post regarding Mississippi St’s initial ranking in 2014.  That committee didn’t let the previous year’s version of Mississippi St and Florida St come into play where they had them in 2014.

If they could do it this committee could have done it.
About the only thing players aren't opting out of is playoff games and games that could affect the playoffs
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #237 on: December 21, 2020, 07:30:04 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on December 20, 2020, 08:45:35 PM
Houston and Tom Herman beat the No. 3 team in the country twice in 2016.

(It's weird because obviously most of those games happen early in the year, so teams are still paper tiger-ish to a degree. It obviously can't happen in a bowl and is super rare in the second half of the season).
Appy State beat #5 Michigan.
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