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Topic: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?

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LittlePig

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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #112 on: July 27, 2024, 03:47:28 AM »
Quote from: Kris60 on July 26, 2024, 10:38:52 PM
In addition, many years the 12 seed will not be considered a top 12 team (and possibly top 20 or 25). Again, the 5 seed benefits from that.
Yes, I forgot to add that part myself.  that could be true. 

Much like the Big Ten West champion in the past could have an 10-2 or 11-1 record sometimes and still get blown out in the Big Ten CCG,  the Big 12 champ could maybe be 12-1 in the future and still get blown out by the #5 seed.

I just don't know how that will work in the CFP ratings.  Will a 12-1 Big 12 champion get rated highly or not?    In the end it may not matter,  they will still be the #4 seed.  But is it possible they might actually be good?
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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #113 on: July 27, 2024, 08:29:56 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 26, 2024, 10:56:05 PM
Why not the 12 seed?
Because many years the expectation is the 12 seed will probably be the highest rated G5 champion. Occasionally, that team will land in the top 12 of the final CFP rankings but more often than not don’t.
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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #114 on: July 27, 2024, 08:34:10 AM »
I hear on occasion folks decrying a "long layoff" between playing games.  I don't know to what extent that is true, maybe some, getting rusty etc.  You contrast that with injury possibilities and simple wear and tear.  I lean to thinking a "tune up" game after a month off could be net useful for most teams.  We'll hear this excuse I bet when a % beats a 4.  

The NFL has their preseason for some reason, I surmise they view it as a net benefit, it's not exactly the same thing.
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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #115 on: July 27, 2024, 08:46:16 AM »
NFL preseason sells tickets and concessions and even some TV revenue

I think any coach anywhere would rather have another week off at the end of the season to heal up and prepare for the next opponent
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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #116 on: July 27, 2024, 09:02:33 AM »
Yeah, the NFL now makes some money, but that wasn't the case decades ago.  I dunno really, it just seems to me an easy tuneup game would be of value vs another week of practice.  Practice itself can result in injuries.
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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #117 on: July 27, 2024, 09:17:30 AM »
well, even a #20 ranked undefeated or one-loss G5 team isn't a tuneup game

they are obviously well coached and have a huge chip on their shoulder

there is some real danger there
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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #118 on: July 27, 2024, 09:45:35 AM »
I think it is a tuneup game, to what may be the best team in the country playing at home who would be a 17+ point favorite.  

I'm not talking about ALL the time, but some of the time, the 5 seed could be better positioned.  And yes, on occasion said G5 team will put up a battle and this will not be the case.  

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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #119 on: July 27, 2024, 09:47:38 AM »
you may be right and it might be a tuneup game, but I don't think any coach would ever agree

of course, coaches are special people
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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #120 on: July 27, 2024, 10:58:59 AM »
The other factor in all of this is that #5 then gets to face #4, which we generally agree will be the least competent of the conference champs, and often will be a team ranked say 10th or so.  Menawhile, this 4 seed, who might be 10-3 and not a great team, gets to face what probably is a 12-1 CG loser who might be the best team in the country, at least in some years.
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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #121 on: July 27, 2024, 06:22:46 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 27, 2024, 08:34:10 AM
I hear on occasion folks decrying a "long layoff" between playing games.  I don't know to what extent that is true, maybe some, getting rusty etc.  You contrast that with injury possibilities and simple wear and tear.  I lean to thinking a "tune up" game after a month off could be net useful for most teams.  We'll hear this excuse I bet when a % beats a 4. 

The NFL has their preseason for some reason, I surmise they view it as a net benefit, it's not exactly the same thing.
Pre means 'before' - as in before a full season when you're not beat up.

Post means 'after' - as in after a long, grueling season 

An extra game POST is different than an extra game PRE, especially when those PRE games are just scrimmages.
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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #122 on: July 27, 2024, 06:23:26 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 27, 2024, 09:47:38 AM
you may be right and it might be a tuneup game, but I don't think any coach would ever agree

of course, coaches are special people
The minute they treat it as such, they'll lose.
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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #123 on: July 27, 2024, 06:42:10 PM »
Who were the worst 5 seeds in recorded history? 
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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #124 on: July 28, 2024, 04:40:40 PM »
I'm OrangeAfroMan, not OrangeAfroGopher
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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #125 on: July 28, 2024, 04:48:21 PM »



UConn, from the Big East? 


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