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Topic: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2024, 08:42:53 AM »
The 5 team fairly often will be the "best team" overall, like UGA may have been past season.  Or it could be a killer ND team.

Take UGA this year, they lose by a couple point at Alabama and Texas, but whomp everyone else.  They could miss the CG entirely.
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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2024, 09:02:34 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 23, 2024, 08:36:17 AM
I'd rather NOT play the extra game, but....... if ya can't get in the top 4, #5 is the best spot
Uhh, yeah.  That's why it's #5 and not #6.  LOL
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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2024, 09:04:05 AM »
At the end of a 12 or 13-game season, no, you do not want to play an extra game.  C'mon, people.
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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2024, 09:05:51 AM »
The point is the extra game is against "JMU" or the like, basically a tuneup game, while other teams might get rusty.  It's debateable either way, which is why we're discussing it.  If someone thinks it's clearcut either way, fine with me, I don't.
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« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2024, 09:11:48 AM »
Okay, then it's weird that so many here insisted on including a G5 program in the playoff only to now refer to it as a layup or tune-up game.

Why include them, if that's the case?
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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2024, 09:19:26 AM »
people here didn't insist on it

the G5 was gonna sue for inclusion

I don't think BYU should have received a shot vs Michigan in 84
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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2024, 09:22:01 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 23, 2024, 08:36:17 AM
I'd rather NOT play the extra game, but....... if ya can't get in the top 4, #5 is the best spot
I get that but I also think it’s one of those things you almost have to be in the moment to see how you feel.  If you watch Jalen Milroe go down with an injury against JMU you’re saying , “Yeah, that’s why you never want to play any more games than necessary.”

If Bama is up 42-3 in the 3rd and the starters are yucking it up on the sideline you might be saying, “Damn, I wouldn’t mind trading places with them right now.”
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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2024, 09:25:26 AM »
One issue here... Everyone is assuming the 12 seed will be a G5 conference champ. But if argue in some years the highest G5 champ will be ranked higher than the weakest P4 champ. If a 3 loss team from one of those conferences sneaks into the CFP by improbably getting into and winning their CCG, and there's a 13-0 G5 champ, the G5 champ probably gets the 4 seed. 
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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2024, 09:27:35 AM »
true
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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2024, 09:30:10 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 23, 2024, 09:19:26 AM
people here didn't insist on it

LOL
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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2024, 09:30:49 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2024, 09:25:26 AM
One issue here... Everyone is assuming the 12 seed will be a G5 conference champ. But if argue in some years the highest G5 champ will be ranked higher than the weakest P4 champ. If a 3 loss team from one of those conferences sneaks into the CFP by improbably getting into and winning their CCG, and there's a 13-0 G5 champ, the G5 champ probably gets the 4 seed.
Yeah, in my original post I said there could be some years the 4 seed is the G5 champ.  In that case, the 5 seed probably gets a tougher first round draw but still gets the easiest QF draw.
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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2024, 09:41:37 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2024, 09:25:26 AM
One issue here... Everyone is assuming the 12 seed will be a G5 conference champ. But if argue in some years the highest G5 champ will be ranked higher than the weakest P4 champ. If a 3 loss team from one of those conferences sneaks into the CFP by improbably getting into and winning their CCG, and there's a 13-0 G5 champ, the G5 champ probably gets the 4 seed.

So then the 5 seed gets to still play the two weakest teams in the tournament. Just switched so the weakest P5 champ is a home game and the G5 champ is a neutral game.


It really comes down to do you think it's better/easier to play the two weakest champs teams, or the best at large team?


If I were to rank the seeding in this format:
#1 is the best spot, they get a buy then are on the same path as #5
#5 is the next best, you get the two easiest games before facing the the 1.
#2 then #3 are pretty interchangeable with supposably a slightly weaker opponent facing the 2.
Here is where I would place the #4 seed. Yes you get the buy, but we're the weakest champ and rewarded with facing the toughest at large.
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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2024, 09:42:50 AM »
There could be other examples of course where #12 is a tough out, some 9-3 team that lost 3 tough games along the way, or had injuries early.  I don't know if they'd get seeded that low if so, but maybe.  Playing a "tuneup" could be OK, playing a real team that is worthy of a #12 ranking, not so much.
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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2024, 09:44:17 AM »
Okay, so 2,3,6,and 7 don't have to face the #1 team until the championship game.  Easiest path.  
This is silly.
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