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Topic: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #1

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MaximumSam

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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #1
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2019, 12:26:43 PM »
I voted Martinez - feels like Nebbers could be in for big year, at least offensively.

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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #1
« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2019, 12:42:55 PM »
I'd also put Martinez in the preseason Top 2. Fields could get there for the postseason, but preseason there's no reason to put him here except rooting interest, unless you want to emphasize that his spring game was 4/13 with*out* an interception.

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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #1
« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2019, 01:04:47 PM »
I'd also put Martinez in the preseason Top 2. Fields could get there for the postseason, but preseason there's no reason to put him here except rooting interest, unless you want to emphasize that his spring game was 4/13 with*out* an interception.
The reason would be faith OSU’s offense is heavy on playmakers and the kid has all that hype around his talent.

Buckeye QBs have been consensus first team all-conference all but one year since 2013. In 2012, an OSU guy took one of the two top spots.

(Also fun, Dan Persa was once first by coaches because 2010 was weird and kinda underrated. Daryll Clark was consensus in 2009. Gross)

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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #1
« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2019, 01:15:12 PM »
I suppose I did type "no reason." Hmm. Anyway: I know that. It's just a matter of preseason list philosophy. Guess I'm taking mine as last season's performance minus attrition, and perhaps corrected for coaching changes, if relevant. Obviously there are other ways that can feel reasonable.

I do wonder how many times I (or anyone) switch philosophy without noticing because it's convenient.

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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #1
« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2019, 01:59:36 PM »
I suppose I did type "no reason." Hmm. Anyway: I know that. It's just a matter of preseason list philosophy. Guess I'm taking mine as last season's performance minus attrition, and perhaps corrected for coaching changes, if relevant. Obviously there are other ways that can feel reasonable.

I do wonder how many times I (or anyone) switch philosophy without noticing because it's convenient.
I trend toward what you described for most spots but have a soft spot for high-power QB recruits with some college experience stepping into good situations as transfers. (I liked Patterson last year too. underestimating Haskins as a passer was my undoing there). 

If I felt a bit better about NW’s supporting cast, Hunter Johnson might be in that wheelhouse. I think he could be excellent.

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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #1
« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2019, 02:12:23 PM »
Really hard decision for this one. Issue is that none of them have really "proven" that they deserve a front-running spot, and I can come up with reasons not to vote for any of them.


  • Fields - brand new, no PT, unsure what OSU will look like without Meyer.
  • Lewerke - Solid game manager but his comp% and TD/INT ratios dipped in his Jr year, and it's unclear whether scheme will ever give him a chance to shine.
  • Martinez - Obviously very talented, and Frost's scheme could very well showcase him, but he's still a young sophomore. Can he put it together? Is the supporting cast ready yet?
  • Patterson - New OC, wasn't given a huge amount of room to flourish last year. Unknown.
  • Stanley - Solid game manager, but like Lewerke unclear whether scheme will ever give him a chance to shine.

I ended up with Martinez. I think he's extremely talented, and with another year in the system and under Scott Frost's scheme [which did pretty well for that Marcus Mariota guy] he could end up being the most eye-popping of the bunch. 

Dark horse IMHO is Elijah Sindelar. The scheme should be right. He's got a cannon for an arm. He's got the receiving talent around him now to throw to. It will require him making a big jump in decision-making, and the OL will have to give him time for plays to develop, but if he makes the leap in his own head he could light the conference on fire throwing it all over the field. 


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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #1
« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2019, 03:01:35 PM »
I voted Martinez - feels like Nebbers could be in for big year, at least offensively.
I've seen too many sophomore slumps, but he was my vote, otherwise.  Went with Fields.
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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #1
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2019, 04:36:00 PM »
Obviously, Husker fans are hoping for a "McKenzie Milton" type of 2nd season from Adrian

I'm confident the O-line will have improved from last season, how much I'm not sure. They will be bigger, stronger, and better conditioned.

the WRs, and TEs should have improved somewhat from learning the offense, but a few players have to step up.  Stanley Morgan is gone and the TEs last year didn't make many plays

the RB situation is unknown.  This is scary because we all know how much a good running game helps the QB and the passing game.

the strong points are Frost's scheme and Martinez' talent
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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #1
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2019, 04:45:45 PM »
Isn't Shea a girl's name?
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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #1
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2019, 07:09:08 PM »
Adrian was in the Rocky movie
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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #1
« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2019, 09:15:16 PM »
Yeah but she spelled it like a boy, when Adrienne was readily available as a female alternate. 

So I will pin that one on her, not him. 
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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #1
« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2019, 10:08:50 PM »
folks seem to enjoy using weird spellings with names

maybe her father wanted a boy?
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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #1
« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2019, 10:22:01 PM »
So Shea's father wanted a girl? O0

Good call. 
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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Quarterback #1
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2019, 11:07:05 PM »
I went with Shea Patterson. I could see the argument for Martinez. He’s gonna put up monster #’s as long as he doesn’t get hurt.

Kinda baffles me that Fields has the most votes at 5. That’s based off of nothing but pure ‘crootin hype. He didn’t show a whole lot at Georgia as a frosh, couldn’t beat out a pretty mediocre talent in Fromm which is why he transferred.

I think Day will be just fine, but Ohio State also lost arguably its best ever coach in Meyer and Fields’ game was a better fit for Meyer’s style of spread option offense that features the QB run imo than he is with Day’s impressive bombs away Air Raid style passing game. Ohio State also has to replace 4 starters along the OL and Mike Weber’s tough bowling ball between the tackles thunder running style that complimented JK Dobbins slasher style perfectly.

Ohio State also has to replace like 4 senior WRs that lead the team in receptions, tds, and yards and all ripped off 4.4’s or better at the NFL combine. There’s still talent there like Austin Mack and Benjamin Victor but those are more big body, possession style receivers. Probably in the 4.6’s. They aren’t 4.35 like Paris Campbell or McLaurin who can rip the top off a defense and just run past every one deep or the type to catch a 6 yard pass and turn on the jets and go 60 more for a touchdown.

 

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