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Topic: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Guard #3

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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Guard #3
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2019, 02:56:43 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on July 24, 2019, 02:24:02 PM
You had put this in the hoops thread.. yep. The sack rates were very bad for the OL. That will happen when the QB can't move and the defense knows it.

That's been happening to me a lot. I log in from one thread and on the other side of the portal I've been (randomly?) thrown to a thread with a different URL.

As for the sack rate, the sack rate was much worse for standard downs (#117 nationally) than passing downs (#74 nationally). That doesn't support Hornibrook as the only culprit. Neither does the severity of the issue, or the fact that it got worse as the QB and OL became veterans

2016 - standard down sack rate - #41 nationally
2017 - standard down sack rate - #104 nationally
2018 - standard down sack rate - #117 nationally
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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Guard #3
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2019, 03:08:19 PM »
In 2016, AH split time at QB with Houston, who could move a bit better. Houston attempted 141 times. AH 181. That probably helped a lot.

After that, he was on his own. It was very obvious to many that he regressed in 2018. There has been a lot of speculation as to why, but that can be for the UW thread and not this one.
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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Guard #3
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2019, 04:34:13 PM »
But for this thread, it fits too:

The idea that an elite run blocking OL was also - at best - average and arguably woeful in pass protection. That, crossed with the fact that the line has 4 new faces, is relevant to the odds you brought up, of whether a UW guard will make the postseason top 4.

To be clear, I'm not saying one won't. I'm just clarifying that it's fair to speculate the odds are lower than they were in recent offseasons.
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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Guard #3
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2019, 05:45:19 PM »
The QB couldn't move and he often held on to the ball for far too long. An OL can only block for so long. The QB got himself sacked a whole lot. 

I'm certainly not gonna blame a bunch of guys we'll see on Sundays, starting in September.
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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Guard #3
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2019, 06:16:00 PM »
I actually wasn't blaming the players. I was just remembering Wisconsin fans' own frustrations from 2017 and 2018. And pointing out how the stats don't indicate that only Hornibrook was to blame for the std down sack rate.

What else could it be? Well I'm not in your program as much as you are. Could Joe Rudolph be near the highest level for coaching the ground game but "meh" at coaching and designing pass protection? The trend isn't inconsistent with that. And as the OC and OL coach, to which extent is he culpable even if the 2019 sacks were 100% on Hornibrook?
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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Guard #3
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2019, 09:38:31 PM »
Hornibrook transferred, so he won't have any pegged on him. We'll see how he does at Florida State, with their crap OL. If he plays, that is.
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Re: CFB51 Preason All-Big Ten Team - Guard #3
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2019, 11:32:06 PM »
No doubt, just as we'll see whether the Wisconsin sack rate bounces back. But to be clear about Hornibrook, I never meant to ask whether he deserved 0% of the bad sack rate blame. I'm just unpersuaded he deserved 100% of it.
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