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Topic: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2018, 03:03:03 PM »
Well, that would've REALLY pissed me off this year because Wisconsin had a stronger schedule.

Not sure about the quasi-helmet comment though. There is probably no such thing. You are or you're not, if you are not you can never be, based on what I've read here and elsewhere.
Yeah, but you're honestly telling me that if Wisconsin had a 31-pt loss to Iowa, like Ohio State did, you don't think the committee would justify Bama by excusing the top-10 Auburn loss and calling the Wisconsin loss to an unranked Iowa a "bad loss" that makes their resume weaker?
Wisconsin didn't climb into the top-4 in the CFP until week 14, and they were undefeated but still behind 1-loss Clemson and 1-loss Oklahoma, and 2-loss Auburn. 
They were getting NO respect as an undefeated team. If they'd been 11-1, I'm certain they'd be the last-ranked 1-loss P5 team and probably sitting behind 2-loss OSU and PSU. That would have put them around 9th. You think beating OSU in the CCG would have gotten them in over Bama? 

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« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2018, 03:22:53 PM »
Badgers as a one loss Big Ten champ with victory over the Buckeyes in Indy.  Do they get in over Bama?

Yes, even with the 31 point loss to the Hawks

it would have been close, but I think they get the nod over Bama

I could be wrong
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« Reply #58 on: January 03, 2018, 03:24:43 PM »
UCF athletic director Danny White said Wednesday the program has decided to claim a national championship and will place a championship banner inside Spectrum Stadium to recognize its undefeated 2017 season.
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« Reply #59 on: January 03, 2018, 03:30:58 PM »
UCF athletic director Danny White said Wednesday the program has decided to claim a national championship and will place a championship banner inside Spectrum Stadium to recognize its undefeated 2017 season.
LOL.  What championship are they claiming?  Their own?  College football (MSU right there) has a rich history of claiming just about anything, but I'm pretty sure those days are over.

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« Reply #60 on: January 03, 2018, 03:32:07 PM »
Let's not have 2 NFLs.

Let's have the most important regular season of any sport.  Please?
I've agreed with this for a while.Dragging out the season students miss more studies.Athletes risk more injury.Only one benefiting extended seasons are advertisers,networks and venues.Student athletes get more pocket change.4 game Playoff is just fine - win your games or don't complain
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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #61 on: January 03, 2018, 03:38:15 PM »
Badgers as a one loss Big Ten champ with victory over the Buckeyes in Indy.  Do they get in over Bama?

Yes, even with the 31 point loss to the Hawks

it would have been close, but I think they get the nod over Bama

I could be wrong
Doubt it. 
Remember, that turns OSU instead of being a 11-2 conference champion ranked #5 into a team that lost to Wisconsin while ranked 8th and would assuredly have dropped out of the top 10 in the final rankings. 
So Wisconsin at maybe #9 would have defeated an OSU team that was ranked #7 [since Wisconsin was assuredly behind them] and OSU would probably have finished around 11th-12th. 
Hence robbing Wisconsin of another top-10 win. They'd have wins over maybe 12th-ranked OSU and 20th-ranked Northwestern. You think the committee wouldn't rely on the "eye test" and elevate a Bama team who beat the 16th-ranked LSU Tigers and 24th-ranked Miss State team and whose only loss was a "quality" loss to Auburn over a Wisconsin team who had the appearance of a weaker schedule and had a 31-point loss to unranked Iowa?
While they've never put a non-champ above a 1-loss champ in the past, they've never quite had that scenario. Each other year they haven't had any 1-loss conference champs to exclude with 1-loss non-champs and apply the "eye test". The polls leading up to the end of the season show that they had NO love for Wisconsin though.

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« Reply #62 on: January 03, 2018, 03:43:22 PM »
the committee would do what they do, we really would never know, but a one-loss 2nd place finisher in their division over a one-loss conference champ would be tough.  Even with a 31-point loss to Iowa

I think Big Jim Delany fights much harder for a spot in that case
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« Reply #63 on: January 03, 2018, 03:49:08 PM »
everyone is bitching about bama.... but what about Clemson?  they have one loss too- and to a ridiculously bad Syracuse team...  personally, i think bama deserves to be there more than clemson, and i have the argument from last night to back it up.
Agreed Clemson is where tOSU was the year before.Lost too much talent to the draft.Real good not great
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« Reply #64 on: January 03, 2018, 04:47:48 PM »
4 loss Auburn is not a top 10 team. 

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« Reply #65 on: January 03, 2018, 05:02:13 PM »
bwarb, one nitpick:  Bama didn't beat a "terrible 6-6 FSU team" - they beat a full-strength with their QB #3 FSU at the time.  Yes, final ranking is more accurate than ranking at the time, but in this case, FSU crumbled bc their backup QB was a 3* true FR.

So yes, Bama scheduled tough OOC as well as OSU did.
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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #66 on: January 03, 2018, 05:13:27 PM »
I am actually really excited about a 4 team playoff. I think it's the right amount.

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About a 3rd of the way down under the heading "That Fart Noise" It goes to show when non-conference champs that play for the title, America tunes out. 

I think if you can debate a conference champ vs. a non-champ that winning the title should be the tie breaker.

OSU had the same amount of wins as 'bama, had a tougher strength of schedule, had 4 victories better than anything 'bama played. OSU also had a 60 minute wtf moment, a 2nd loss, traditionally 'bama has been a great team, in Vegas 'bama would have been favored. Wow sounds like a pretty compelling debate, and in these situations I think conference champ should be selected.

8-5 Wisconsin should have no business in a playoff for getting 3rd in division, but still playing for title and upsetting Nebraska. 

Last year we could debate who more deserving between OSU and PSU (I know, I know committee said it was between Washington and Penn State, both conference champs) but we can still debate OSU / PSU. I'm of the opinion PSU won the conference they win the tie breaker.

Last year OSU was not clearly head and shoulders better than PSU. Put the conference champ in.
This year Alabama is not clearly head and shoulders better than OSU (or USC, or UCF.) Put the conference champ in.

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Re: CFB Is Terrible At Crowning a Champion
« Reply #67 on: January 03, 2018, 05:27:21 PM »
My fundamental disagreement with putting in the G5 Champs is that CFB isn't the NFL:  

In the NFL the teams are all fairly equal so one 9-7 team is fairly equal to another 9-7 team.  More importantly, while a given 9-7 team might be better than a given 10-6 team, there is almost never a 9-7 NFL team that is better than a 12-4 NFL team or even an 11-5 team.  

In CFB teams play wildly different schedules so a given 13-0 team may well not have played any teams as good as the five teams that beat a given 8-5 team.  

I think, as a matter of fairness, that if you are going to give the Sun Belt Champion an auto-bid, then you should have enough slots such that they aren't getting in over too many obviously better P5 teams but that would require probably a 64 team playoff which isn't feasible.  

I was opposed to the expansion of the playoff from two to four teams and I oppose an expansion to six or eight for the same reason:  Every expansion of the playoff necessarily dilutes the regular season to at least some extent.  The expansion to four made it nearly impossible for a 1-loss team to miss the playoffs.  An expansion to eight (with auto-bids for the P5) would make OOC games meaningless and non-divisional games only marginally meaningful.  

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« Reply #68 on: January 03, 2018, 05:32:12 PM »
I also don't want blowouts in the first round.  Clemson putting in its backups in the 3rd quarter, up 55-3 on the Sun Belt champ.  Just for fairness.

It's not about fairness, it's about earning your way in.  If a team loses a game, they also lose their right to complain.  If a team loses twice, they should be too embarrassed to complain.  But no, OSU fans are crying out about fairness this year....with 2 losses.
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« Reply #69 on: January 03, 2018, 05:33:55 PM »
We're not going to have fairness with 129 FBS teams anway.  Let's get 4 big, full conferences and trim the fat off.  
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