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I'd love a 6-8 team playoff with P5 autobids.

The Ccgs would become play in games.

I'd hate to see the playoff expand to 12 or 16, because Rivalry Week would be rendered worthless.
In that scenario you could have a stretch of years where, say, OSU and Michigan both get into the Playoffs, no matter who wins THE GAME.

I'd be fine with 12 if it included all 10 auto-bids.

I'd hate to see the playoff expand to 12 or 16, because Rivalry Week would be rendered worthless.
In that scenario you could have a stretch of years where, say, OSU and Michigan both get into the Playoffs, no matter who wins THE GAME.

FYI the ONLY reason I'd expand to 12 or 16 is if you auto-bid the G5 champs. If you're not going to auto-bid all 10 conferences, then you don't need that many teams in the playoffs. I would agree with you that if you go to 12 (P5 + 7 at large) or 16 (P5 + 11 at-large) without including the G5, you're needlessly diluting the pool. 
While I think 8 with auto-bid for the P5 conference championships actually enhances the value of winning your conference (the CFP as currently constructed diminishes that value), if you expanded it too far then you likewise devalue the conference championship. If you have more at-large teams than conference champions, why do teams care about winning their conference any more? 
I don't actually support auto-bid for the G5 conferences, but you'll never get me to admit that our current system which essentially gives them the second-class citizen status is "fair". Fair is 16 teams with auto-bid for G5 champs even if none of them EVER win the whole thing, like the NCAA tourney. But fair IMHO isn't really worth it given that the physical demands of football of football are so much more higher than basketball. You don't want Jalen Hurts to needlessly get injured in a game against the Sun Belt champion. 

You have to be really careful with auto-bids.

Remember in 2012 when Wisconsin clubbed UNL in Indy?

That 8-5 team would have got an auto-bid just like it got into the Rose Bowl as the "champion" of the Big Ten. I remember 1996 when the Huskers lost to Texas in the first XII title game. There are many more examples.

Be very careful what you ask for.

Two things:

• I'm okay with that. That Wisconsin team won their conference, fair and square. Just like the UConn team that sneaked into a BCS bowl at 8-4 by winning their conference. It wasn't UConn's fault that the conference was down that year. 
• 2012 is a VERY special case. That 7-5 Wisconsin team wouldn't have been in the CCG if it weren't for 12-0 Ohio State and 8-4 Penn State both being ineligible. 

The truth is that if you auto-bid P5 champions, you'll occasionally get a team that maybe isn't truly talented enough to compete. But if you want the conference championship to be meaningful, what's wrong with that? Winning your conference deserves a reward. Why shouldn't that reward be a seat at the big-boy table, where even if the odds are long against you, you're playing for the whole damn thing?

You have to be really careful with auto-bids.

Remember in 2012 when Wisconsin clubbed UNL in Indy?

That 8-5 team would have got an auto-bid just like it got into the Rose Bowl as the "champion" of the Big Ten. I remember 1996 when the Huskers lost to Texas in the first XII title game. There are many more examples.

Be very careful what you ask for.

agreed, but if it were a 8 team playoff you'd have the opportunity to have the higher ranked team that was "upset" in the conference champ game back in the playoff to possibly square off in a rematch to see if it would happen again.
could possibly be the 3rd game between conference opponents

just be straight... P5 ought to be a minor league or semi-pro league at the least... G5 ought not be a possible scheduling for a P5...

i don't buy for a second that a 8, 10, 12, or 16 team playoff isn't realistic because it's done without issue for lessor divs of cfb.  it's real simple math- the ncaa doesn't want to lose the margin of 3:$100+M and turn it to even 6 games for $100M... stingy bastardo's... 

i mentioned elsewhere i spent some one on one time with Jan Quarelless this past Christmas season... we talked in depth about the semi-pro aspect of this game, and agreed it is bullshit in the grandest sense.  the #1 cost to a pro team is payroll.. meanwhile, cfb, just as big but more spread out, is every bit as valuable... and that is what this is all about.  $$$.  

we can't have a conversation about student athletes playing a game that is as profitable as it is and argue about rankings and such without discussing the stupidity of coaches that cost what they do, facilities that cost what they do, contracts as valuable as they are, and all the other avenues of income this game garners- and pretend there is anything 'fair' about it.  

UCF is undefeated... they played very well and were extremely impressive at times.  they don't have a seat at the table and never will until they are a power broker.  how much investment do you think that'll cost them?  every team on the 'helmet' list has massive investment in the game... of friggin' course the league is going to protect them.  it's BS... but until the game is treated as what it really is- a semi-pro or minor league, there is no leverage available to moan and groan about how it shakes out at the end of the season.  

just be happy your schools didn't run into a chancellor and AD that figured out a helluva lotta money could be had by limiting investment and raping the effort of those before them.... just to be followed by two more with the same intentions.  Tennessee may come back now that the profiteers have been either exposed or ran out of town- but that institution is a perfect example of what's happening with this sport/league.  the only things that matters is the $$$- and ALL of the school of UCF could show up to a national championship final and not have half of the people UGA or Bama brings or is watching.  

I'd rather CFB not turn into NCAA hoops. That is all.

True. And I think based on discussions over many years, you're more of a traditionalist. I'm suspecting that in the end, you'd rather go back to the old system where you play for a conference championship and the reward is going to face a PAC team in Pasadena, and do away with all this BCS/CFP nonsense. Is that accurate? 

if Frost stayed at UCF and went undefeated 3 seasons in a row they would gain the credibility to to broker a slot at the table

good luck to Josh Heupel to keep the training running