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Topic: Can we talk about football?

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bayareabadger

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #112 on: August 02, 2022, 12:44:26 PM »
I know UGA plays a "3-4" on defense, but it usually looks like a 4-3, to me.  I often watch the QB and linemen point to someone on the D, but often as not, the defensive alignment looks exactly the same as every other play, to me.  I know the OL is calling out blocking responsibilities, OK, and maybe the QB is doing the same, perhaps to the RB if it's a pass, I don't know for sure.  Then we see audibles called, and I don't know what sparked that in the main. 

Of course at times the LBs are crowding the line and in a different position, but then they drop back, or a DE drops back.  On some plays I can see just before the snap a blitz is coming of course.  I usually can't see that 4 seconds presnap though.

It would be fun to have them miked up, to see who is calling what. 

My GUESS is the center is a critically important position for the OL to do well.  Miss one blocking assignment and play is blown up.
A lot of that would make more sense with end zone shots, so you could see the alignment well.

I’d delve into 4-3 vs 3-4, but the meaning is so variable now. UW is a 2-4-5 most of the time, with a nominal3-4 base.

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #113 on: August 03, 2022, 07:59:01 AM »

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #114 on: August 03, 2022, 09:06:58 AM »
Stoops coming out of retirement?
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« Reply #115 on: August 03, 2022, 09:09:49 AM »
Stoops coming out of retirement?

Does seem a little weird to have his image there.  I suppose it's because he was responsible for the majority of the wins, for the team that has won the most.

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #116 on: August 03, 2022, 09:11:20 AM »
A question I continue to have is how different various defenses really are as to scheme.  I appreciate the comment that an end zone view might well show larger differences.

I sort of wish for a more analytical sports show that would illustrate all this for folks like me.

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #117 on: August 03, 2022, 09:13:48 AM »
outta pull up a chair next to Bo Pelini

he's not too busy and enjoys talking defense as many do
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #118 on: August 03, 2022, 09:53:02 AM »
Legend has it Bear Bryant and Bum Phillips met by chance at a dive bar in the Florida panhandle and commiserated over how hard it was to position defensive players correctly. Over a handle of Jim Beam they developed the technique positioning that has been employed ever since.  Simply put a player directly across from the center was the 0 tech.  A player between the center and guard was a 1 tech, a player directly across the guard was the 2 tech and so on.

Warren Sapp was one of the best 3 techs (between guard and tackle) ever and became an average at best guy after he signed with the Raiders and they employed him as a 0 tech.  Don't know of that helps anyone but when you see the Dawgs entire dline shift, it changes their tech angles and requires the oline to reposition if they haven't practiced for it
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #119 on: August 03, 2022, 10:15:42 AM »
Oklahoma State doesn’t have one. Their top seasons are last year’s 12-2 and then three 10-3s.
I was thinking of 2011 but that does not count here.

UW has had more success than oSu.
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #120 on: August 03, 2022, 10:17:27 AM »
This has the tech system laid out much better than I could have.

https://www.viqtorysports.com/understanding-defensive-techniques/

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #121 on: August 03, 2022, 10:41:38 AM »
many times if the D-front is two-gapping, they're not responsible for the tackle, they are controlling blockers to free the LBs to make the tackle

another component to defense is trying to "spill" the play to the outside, where speed and quickness can be used to push the ball carrier to the sideline or obviously setting the edge/corner and forcing the ball back inside
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #122 on: August 03, 2022, 11:33:16 AM »
I'm surprised more DLines don't shift before the snap.  UGA got a fair number of procedure penalties, and I'd bet that screws up blocking assignments.

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« Reply #123 on: August 03, 2022, 11:35:53 AM »
yup, the issue is if the shift is too soon or too late

timing is everything
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #124 on: August 05, 2022, 09:18:16 AM »
Anybody else spot a team ranked lower than say 20 who could end up NY6 or playoff?

I got UCLA.  (That means they may well burn down of course.)


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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #125 on: August 05, 2022, 10:01:25 AM »
I'm surprised more DLines don't shift before the snap.  UGA got a fair number of procedure penalties, and I'd bet that screws up blocking assignments.
Teams have to be well coached on that front. Otherwise you’ll bust a gap and possibly allow a big run.

I know Dave Aranda’s defenses excel on that front, and of course, smart is a very good defensive coach.

 

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