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FearlessF · « **Reply #98 on:** August 02, 2022, 09:42:13 AM »

yup, both

if the kid thinks it might help them get to the NFL.... it's a great idea

some older Husker fans still don't like the idea that they no longer designate a RB as an I-back

it's just a label, such as nickle, monster, roamer, ...

Blackshirts calling the nickle back simply "nick"

utee94 · « **Reply #99 on:** August 02, 2022, 09:50:07 AM »

You rarely hear the term tailback, either, and even if you do, it just means feature back rather than referring to the actual positioning on the field. And "halfback?" I don't think I've heard that term since I was in peewee football in the late 70s.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #100 on:** August 02, 2022, 09:57:34 AM »

I just glanced at the UGA roster, they have one "FB" listed as such, the others are RB. The defensive positions are pretty simple, DL, LB, DB, they don't list "S" anywhere.

The just say OL, not tackle or guard, and TE.

Dark ages. The I formation seems to be a relic though I did like those toss sweeps back in the day.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #101 on:** August 02, 2022, 10:02:49 AM »

Quote from: utee94 on August 02, 2022, 09:50:07 AM

You rarely hear the term tailback, either, and even if you do, it just means feature back rather than referring to the actual positioning on the field. And "halfback?" I don't think I've heard that term since I was in peewee football in the late 70s.

I think tailback is a great name, but as the I got deemphasized, first for the one-back, and now offset in the gun, it’s less descriptive. I honestly don’t recall why halfback ever made sense.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #102 on:** August 02, 2022, 10:04:09 AM »

Cincydawg · « **Reply #103 on:** August 02, 2022, 10:04:26 AM »

I think they are trying to be a bit different to get clicks, ha.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #104 on:** August 02, 2022, 10:04:30 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on August 02, 2022, 09:20:46 AM

When did folks start calling DEs "EDGE"?

Recently. With the proliferation of hybrid backer/end types in modern defenses, it made more sense than naming the big DEs who could be an edge or have an edge next to them.

Plus someone at some level wanted to separate true interior guys into their own class.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #105 on:** August 02, 2022, 10:08:13 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 01, 2022, 02:11:12 PM

I think UW is the lone school in that list that doesn't have a conference title. Can't count 2012 really. That was a fluke.

Oklahoma State doesn’t have one. Their top seasons are last year’s 12-2 and then three 10-3s.

utee94 · « **Reply #106 on:** August 02, 2022, 10:10:25 AM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on August 02, 2022, 10:02:49 AM

I think tailback is a great name, but as the I got deemphasized, first for the one-back, and now offset in the gun, it’s less descriptive. I honestly don’t recall why halfback ever made sense.

It was originally from the positioning on the field, based on formations like the I.

The quarterback was behind center and therefore 1/4 of the way deep into the backfield. Halfback was halfway deep in the backfield. And fullback was "fully back" in the backfield.

In that original orientation, the options available were the quarterback keep it, or hand off to the halfback for a "quick-hitter", or wait for the lumbering fullback (who was typically the largest back) to grab the ball and often try to dive or smash his way through the line, perhaps with the halfback lead-blocking unless there was a fake.

In more recent times, the positioning on the field was switched, with the "fullback" designation being associated with the size and strength of the player, rather than his position on the field. So the fullback moved to the halfway position to act as a lead blocker, for the typically faster and more agile RB behind him, who was then referred to as a tailback. But for whatever reasons, the "fullback" designation stayed with that player even after the reversal of on-field positioning.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #107 on:** August 02, 2022, 10:12:52 AM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on August 02, 2022, 10:02:49 AM

I honestly don’t recall why halfback ever made sense.

I always wondered the same thing. Behind the line you had:

A Quarterback
A Fullback
A Halfback

It always seemed to me that the names of #2 and #3 were inverted.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #108 on:** August 02, 2022, 10:15:08 AM »

Thanks @utee94 for the explanation. I always assumed that the inverted nomenclature was a historical relic but I wasn't aware of the details.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #109 on:** August 02, 2022, 10:45:09 AM »

I know UGA plays a "3-4" on defense, but it usually looks like a 4-3, to me. I often watch the QB and linemen point to someone on the D, but often as not, the defensive alignment looks exactly the same as every other play, to me. I know the OL is calling out blocking responsibilities, OK, and maybe the QB is doing the same, perhaps to the RB if it's a pass, I don't know for sure. Then we see audibles called, and I don't know what sparked that in the main.

Of course at times the LBs are crowding the line and in a different position, but then they drop back, or a DE drops back. On some plays I can see just before the snap a blitz is coming of course. I usually can't see that 4 seconds presnap though.

It would be fun to have them miked up, to see who is calling what.

My GUESS is the center is a critically important position for the OL to do well. Miss one blocking assignment and play is blown up.

FearlessF · « **Reply #110 on:** August 02, 2022, 10:57:05 AM »

I wonder why he's referred to as the Center?

bayareabadger · « **Reply #111 on:** August 02, 2022, 12:42:12 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on August 02, 2022, 10:10:25 AM

It was originally from the positioning on the field, based on formations like the I.

The quarterback was behind center and therefore 1/4 of the way deep into the backfield. Halfback was halfway deep in the backfield. And fullback was "fully back" in the backfield.

In that original orientation, the options available were the quarterback keep it, or hand off to the halfback for a "quick-hitter", or wait for the lumbering fullback (who was typically the largest back) to grab the ball and often try to dive or smash his way through the line, perhaps with the halfback lead-blocking unless there was a fake.

In more recent times, the positioning on the field was switched, with the "fullback" designation being associated with the size and strength of the player, rather than his position on the field. So the fullback moved to the halfway position to act as a lead blocker, for the typically faster and more agile RB behind him, who was then referred to as a tailback. But for whatever reasons, the "fullback" designation stayed with that player even after the reversal of on-field positioning.

Interesting. More googling led to something about rugby. Still interesting

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