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Topic: Can we talk about football?

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Cincydawg

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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2022, 10:17:45 AM »
I think turnovers are about 75% random events, not due to some proclivity with the player.  Some running backs obviously fumble more than others, but the difference is small because if it's large said RB gets limited carries.  Some QBs have higher INT ratios of course because they are prone to forcing passes or have poor field vision/understanding.

Often, I think, it's just random.
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2022, 11:29:18 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 21, 2022, 10:17:45 AM
I think turnovers are about 75% random events, not due to some proclivity with the player.  Some running backs obviously fumble more than others, but the difference is small because if it's large said RB gets limited carries.  Some QBs have higher INT ratios of course because they are prone to forcing passes or have poor field vision/understanding.

Often, I think, it's just random.
you give valid reasons for it not being random but say most of the time its random

int which not the QBs fault are random but other then that the QB controls int



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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2022, 11:47:35 AM »
Baseball does a better job with what you guys are getting at. If a hitter hits a fly ball but gets lucky and the outfielder drops it, in Baseball my understanding is that doesn't count against the pitcher or in favor of the hitter. Instead it is an error charged to the outfielder with the pitcher and hitter recording what "should have" happened (a fly out).

We could do that in football:

QB throws a perfect pass, WR bobbles it, CB grabs it. Instead of INT, record as catch/error.

QB throws a terrible pass that hits CB in the numbers, CB drops it. Instead of incomplete, record as INT/error.
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2022, 11:51:13 AM »
I believe the advanced metrics (PFF) do grade each play
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2022, 12:01:27 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on July 21, 2022, 11:47:35 AM
Baseball does a better job with what you guys are getting at. If a hitter hits a fly ball but gets lucky and the outfielder drops it, in Baseball my understanding is that doesn't count against the pitcher or in favor of the hitter. Instead it is an error charged to the outfielder with the pitcher and hitter recording what "should have" happened (a fly out).

We could do that in football:

QB throws a perfect pass, WR bobbles it, CB grabs it. Instead of INT, record as catch/error.

QB throws a terrible pass that hits CB in the numbers, CB drops it. Instead of incomplete, record as INT/error.
Thats what I was saying tipped passes and juggled catches should not count against the QB

In baseball youre right and if a base runner who got on because of an error later scores its not considered an earned run
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2022, 12:37:03 PM »
college football is not baseball

I don't want to know that Adrian Martinez is just unlucky and should keep starting games because of metrics

if the team doesn't win and the defense is decent, the QB gits benched!!!
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2022, 12:46:54 PM »
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2022, 12:53:55 PM »
in Tim's best Yogi Berra voice
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2022, 01:06:00 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 21, 2022, 12:37:03 PM
college football is not baseball

I don't want to know that Adrian Martinez is just unlucky and should keep starting games because of metrics

if the team doesn't win and the defense is decent, the QB gits benched!!!
and you speak with so much experience
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2022, 01:08:10 PM »
I have watched more baseball and football games than most
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2022, 01:10:45 PM »
Someone starts a topic about the upcoming season and "we" start talking about baseball.

I love it.
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2022, 01:18:45 PM »
for BadgerFan................

The Miami Hurricanes are ditching the "turnover chain" for the 2022 season, according to first-year coach Mario Cristobal.

Cristobal confirmed the decision Thursday at ACC media days.

"Let's put it this way -- we've been working so hard and paying attention to so many other things that, in my opinion, are much more critical to winning football games and having success that it really hasn't been a subject or a topic," Cristobal said. "We won't be using it."


The turnover chain is an oversized 36-inch, 2.5-kilogram, 10-karat gold chain worn by Miami players on the sideline after forcing a turnover.

The chain has been used by the Hurricanes since the first game of the 2017 season under former coach Mark Richt and remained a sideline feature over the past three seasons under Cristobal's predecessor, Manny Diaz.

Cristobal told the Action Network on Wednesday that the turnover chain is "not part of our culture," according to a tweet from the publication. One day later, Cristobal said that his decision is "not a shot or form of disrespect to anybody or anyone."
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2022, 01:31:04 PM »
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Re: Can we talk about football?
« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2022, 01:34:11 PM »
Great, I of course never liked these things, gimmicks.

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