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Topic: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game

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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #70 on: December 08, 2019, 06:56:46 PM »
Do they have targeting on a runner like that?  He was not defenseless or already being tackled.  I'm not saying you're wrong, just looking for clarification.
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #71 on: December 08, 2019, 08:12:27 PM »
Quote from: Abba on December 08, 2019, 06:56:46 PM
Do they have targeting on a runner like that?  He was not defenseless or already being tackled.  I'm not saying you're wrong, just looking for clarification.
The official 2018 Football Code of the NCAA Football Rules Committee stresses that "players and coaches should emphasize the elimination of targeting and initiating contact against a defenseless opponent and/or with the crown of the helmet."
Targeting does not solely occur when players initiate helmet-to-helmet contact. It's defined as occurring when a player "takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball." Instances include, but are not limited to:
  • Launch--a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area.
  • A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground.
  • Leading with helmet, shoulder forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area.
  • Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of his helmet.

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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #72 on: December 08, 2019, 08:22:16 PM »
I don't want to make a whole thing of this, but the QB was not defenseless and the hit was not with the crown of the helmet.  So by that definition, doesn't seem like targeting to me.
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #73 on: December 08, 2019, 08:28:17 PM »
He was going out of bounds, in effect giving himself up. That is the gray area. It should have been looked at, at least. Just like the false start on one of those OSU TD's, which was never looked at (not sure how it was missed).
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #74 on: December 08, 2019, 09:58:39 PM »
Agreed on the false start.  OSU got some very friendly calls in the 2nd half.
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #75 on: December 09, 2019, 07:24:10 AM »
The false start was funny.  The announcers didn't catch what happened - the receiver wasn't starting the play early, he thought they were changing the play and he looked back to the line of scrimmage
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #76 on: December 09, 2019, 09:11:13 AM »
UW's video guy has a shot of the last play, and I'm sure said shot will be sent to the Big Ten office in Rosemont.



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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #77 on: December 09, 2019, 09:19:39 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2019, 08:28:17 PM
He was going out of bounds, in effect giving himself up. That is the gray area.
No, he was not going out of bounds. 

Look at the video that you just posted. He could have gone out of bounds but he didn't. He tried to turn upfield towards the goal line. He got hit hard and prevented from getting to said goal line. That is football. 
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #78 on: December 09, 2019, 09:53:55 AM »
you're either in bounds or out

if you don't want to take the hit, get out of bounds earlier
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #79 on: December 09, 2019, 10:23:37 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on December 09, 2019, 09:19:39 AM
No, he was not going out of bounds.

Look at the video that you just posted. He could have gone out of bounds but he didn't. He tried to turn upfield towards the goal line. He got hit hard and prevented from getting to said goal line. That is football.
You forgot to mention "helmet-to-helmet" when you describe the hard hit.


#41 should sit out for a half (at least).
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #80 on: December 09, 2019, 10:39:22 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 09, 2019, 10:23:37 AM
You forgot to mention "helmet-to-helmet" when you describe the hard hit.


#41 should sit out for a half (at least).
I didn't really see it that way.  They make helmet to helmet contact but Coan lowered his head and Proctor looked like he was trying to lead with his shoulder.  
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #81 on: December 09, 2019, 10:41:13 AM »
Still targeting. Intent doesn't matter.

I can show you two replays of the exact same scenario where two UW safeties were ejected - in the same game - and forced to sit the following game.

One was targeting for sure. The other one, probably not, but it is what it is.
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #82 on: December 09, 2019, 10:47:56 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 09, 2019, 10:41:13 AM
Still targeting. Intent doesn't matter.

I can show you two replays of the exact same scenario where two UW safeties were ejected - in the same game - and forced to sit the following game.

One was targeting for sure. The other one, probably not, but it is what it is.
Intent does matter - it is written right into the rule that the purpose has to be beyond making a legal tackle.  That part has caused lots of issues for officials trying to judge bang bang plays, but a proper targeting call does take intent into account.
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Re: #1 Ohio State 34 (10-0, 13-0) vs. #8 Wisconsin 21(7-3, 10-3) Post Game
« Reply #83 on: December 09, 2019, 11:21:04 AM »
Almost no players intentionally try to target. 
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