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Topic: Breaking up Bama: How to save college football?
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FearlessF · « **Reply #42 on:** January 14, 2021, 05:00:04 PM »

wouldn't have been very controversial in 1994 or 1997

would have probably been some great games

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #43 on:** January 14, 2021, 05:18:45 PM »

The argument for the 4 seed in 1994 would have been insane.
1 Nebraska
2 Penn State
3 Miami
4 Colorado, 10-1....lost to #1 Nebraska - would have been a rematch
5 Florida, 10-1-1.....SEC champions
6 Alabama, 11-1......just lost to Florida in the SECCG the week before
7 FSU, 9-1-1.....had just tied Florida in a game we don't talk about
8 Texas A&M, 10-0-1.....undefeated in the SWC's death throes
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In today's mindset, there's no way CU would be in ahead of Florida. Alabama's only loss was to Florida and FSU's only loss was to #3 Miami.
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SO many uber-resume teams that year.

utee94 · « **Reply #44 on:** January 14, 2021, 05:22:06 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 14, 2021, 05:18:45 PM

The argument for the 4 seed in 1994 would have been insane.
4 Colorado, 10-1....lost to #1 Nebraska - would have been a rematch
5 Florida, 10-1-1.....SEC champions
6 Alabama, 11-1......just lost to Florida in the SECCG the week before
7 FSU, 9-1-1.....had just tied Florida in a game we don't talk about
8 Texas A&M, 10-0-1.....undefeated in the SWC's death throes
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In today's mindset, there's no way CU would be in ahead of Florida. Alabama's only loss was to Florida and FSU's only loss was to #3 Miami.
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SO many uber-resume teams that year.

Texas A&M was on probation and enduring a post-season ban that season, so they'd be ineligible.

HawkFrenzy · « **Reply #45 on:** January 14, 2021, 06:02:44 PM »

I think overall, and this is not accusing Alabama, I believe that if the NCAA actually investigated and followed thru, it would create more balance. Team A gets 10 5* players but was accused of accusations by the NCAA (not just some competitor) and were investigating, it would thin out the next class. If any violations were found= 1 year recruitment ban, next time violations were found= 2 years...The problem is the NCAA is owned by money and they know dominating teams means a lot of money.

Also, I think the players and coaches (even if they leave the program) should have some accountability as well. Yes it would be hard to turn down 20K a year for a job that doesn't exist but if the NCAA made it clear that they would be somehow punished as well, it would get some 2nd thoughts (especially if the NCAA followed thru publically). Make them repay xx% of future pro or coaching contracts. I think if the NCAA would actually police violations instead of mentions just to appear they are busy, it would make a difference.

No I don't think paying players will make a difference because the under the table deals will still happen.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #46 on:** January 14, 2021, 06:38:03 PM »

Eh, along those lines, if everyone took truth serum, yes, everyone is rounding corners here and there, but it would be like steroids in baseball - the best guys are doing the same thing everyone else is doing, it's just paying off more handsomely.

Take the steroids away or legislating by the book to the letter of the law, and Alabama is still the best program like Bonds was the best player.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #47 on:** January 14, 2021, 06:39:40 PM »

The NCAA could be as harsh on coaches as they want, but any quality college coach can live well on an NFL position coach's salary. That 'out' sort of takes away any teeth rules against coaches dipping out after being naughty would have.

MaximumSam · « **Reply #48 on:** January 14, 2021, 06:55:14 PM »

Paying players could have an effect on increasing parity. Cam Newton went to Auburn because his dad sold him for six figures. Otherwise, why go to Auburn? The top teams get the top players every year. Opening things up isn't going to turn Nebraska into a powerhouse, but they might pick off a player or two here and there. Increasing that among every team means a little bit more parity, not so much like the NFL, but maybe more like baseball. The Yankees are still the Yankees, but the Rays can get the job done too.

FearlessF · « **Reply #49 on:** January 14, 2021, 07:17:36 PM »

the big money schools will be more likely to be able to pay more players

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #50 on:** January 14, 2021, 07:40:45 PM »

Back on-topic, if you want to catch Alabama, 2021 would be a great year to do it. Yes, they have 4 and 5-stars filling in, but they lose:
QB
top 2 RB
best 2 WR
best OL (possibly 3 altogether)
their best pass-rusher
most experienced LB
best CB
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So they're NOT scoring 49 points per game next year. Their OC is gone, obviously, as well.
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Schedule-wise, with so much new talent stepping in, they open against Miami. In the SEC, they travel to Florida, Auburn, and A&M. If King is healthy for the Canes, that could be a loss right off the bat.

FearlessF · « **Reply #51 on:** January 14, 2021, 08:28:50 PM »

the Canes are going to be top 10 good?

CWSooner · « **Reply #52 on:** January 14, 2021, 08:44:41 PM »

Quote from: ELA on January 14, 2021, 11:52:10 AM

Nicole Auerbach was noting how the 4 team CFP is just dividing the haves into an extreme upper crust of haves.

It's basically, you want to win a title? You have three choices. And nothing else matters.

You go to 8, you add auto-bids. Hey, maybe Northwestern can pull an upset and go. I don't know. But the gap is only growing because if you choose to go anywhere other than Alabama, Clemson or Ohio State, you are basically saying "I have no interest in winning a national title" in an age where ESPN is telling everyone that it is the only thing that matters.

We took the best regular season in sports, and maybe made it the worst. Even if Clemson overlooks Syracuse, or Alabama overlooks Ole Miss, or Ohio State overlooks Purdue, eh 1 loss doesn't end anything. They'll still likely get into a CCG, when they are laser focused, and will likely win. Or if not, they'll be #4.

It's a great system for determining who the best team is. Better than the old system, because it's still small enough that no "fluke" team can win, but now it's big enough that there are enough fail-safes built in for the best teams to get beyond one fluky upset. So if what you want is to know who the "best" team is, it's nearly perfect. But at what cost to the entertainment value?

To the bolded, AMEN!
It's not all the fault of the CFP, but we've paved Paradise to put up an exceedingly fine parking lot.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #53 on:** January 14, 2021, 09:17:31 PM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on January 14, 2021, 06:55:14 PM

Paying players could have an effect on increasing parity. Cam Newton went to Auburn because his dad sold him for six figures. Otherwise, why go to Auburn? The top teams get the top players every year. Opening things up isn't going to turn Nebraska into a powerhouse, but they might pick off a player or two here and there. Increasing that among every team means a little bit more parity, not so much like the NFL, but maybe more like baseball. The Yankees are still the Yankees, but the Rays can get the job done too.

I mean, chances are most of the big boys are already paying something. But as you said, if it's above board, does it solidify the top more or erode the fringes for the top few teams?

It would be interesting because mid-tier teams like Ole Miss (and kinda Clemson 10 years ago) can throw down and maybe get noticed in the wrong way (Clemson was not).

ELA · « **Reply #54 on:** January 15, 2021, 12:31:16 AM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on January 14, 2021, 06:55:14 PM

Paying players could have an effect on increasing parity. Cam Newton went to Auburn because his dad sold him for six figures. Otherwise, why go to Auburn? The top teams get the top players every year. Opening things up isn't going to turn Nebraska into a powerhouse, but they might pick off a player or two here and there. Increasing that among every team means a little bit more parity, not so much like the NFL, but maybe more like baseball. The Yankees are still the Yankees, but the Rays can get the job done too.

The rays don't get the job done because they can pay some of the players the Yankees don't. They compete because they have equal, to better access to the cheap labor, and they do the best job of maximizing that. That would be like saying Purdue gets the first crack at the best recruits, and they get them through their junior year, and then if Ohio State wants to pay them for their senior year they can. That will probably work out well for Ohio State sometimes, but Purdue still has a pipeline of good young players who have been in their system for 2 to 3 years, and can compete, against a cobbled together team of seniors

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #55 on:** January 15, 2021, 02:03:11 AM »

What a horrific idea.

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