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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #56 on: December 08, 2019, 07:03:12 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 06:44:57 PM
I know WHY they are, I asked SHOULD they.  Rhetorical question.

I do wish instead of getting a tie-in with the SEC in the Sugar, the XII did their own thing and signed on with the Orange.  Let the ACC go out west to the Cotton or Fiesta or whatever.
I don't mind Memphis. Virginia, ehhh. 

The locked in conference filler is highly bleh.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #57 on: December 08, 2019, 07:29:45 PM »
So if ND was an option for the Orange, why the hell did they take UVA?  Florida-ND is a pretty snazzy "other bowl" matchup, no?  We'd like payback for the 91 Sugar Bowl, btw.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #58 on: December 08, 2019, 07:30:05 PM »
A lot of burfle.  I'll watch.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2019, 08:34:15 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 07:29:45 PM
So if ND was an option for the Orange, why the hell did they take UVA?  Florida-ND is a pretty snazzy "other bowl" matchup, no?  We'd like payback for the 91 Sugar Bowl, btw.
I don't know that ND was an option. Not sure the ACC sold out for ND like the Big East did back in the day. They did bend over, but probably not THAT much.


The Orange will be the least watched NYD6 game, I think. PSU/Memphis will draw eyes, for curiosity only, and for PSU, in the considerable B1G footprint.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #60 on: December 08, 2019, 08:40:22 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 06:44:57 PM
I know WHY they are, I asked SHOULD they.  Rhetorical question.

I do wish instead of getting a tie-in with the SEC in the Sugar, the XII did their own thing and signed on with the Orange.  Let the ACC go out west to the Cotton or Fiesta or whatever.
The old Big 8 tie-in with the Orange Bowl ended when the Big 8 ended.  But the historical evidence is all over the Orange Bowl records.  The top two programs in number of appearances there are OU (20) and Nebraska (17).  The next closest are Miami and FSU (10 each).

When the Big 12 was formed, it allied with the Fiesta Bowl, for reasons I do not know.  Maybe it's closer, or because it offered better incentives/payoffs.  But the general impression I got from people who attend bowls is that they would rather have been going to Miami than to Phoenix.

There was talk between the Big 12 and the SEC about using Jerry World (the current site of the Cotton Bowl) for a "Champions Bowl" that would match the winner of each conference.  IIRC, this was when the Cotton Bowl was still being played in the old Cotton Bowl Stadium at Fair Park and was not one of the BCS bowls.  The playoff being approved--with the Cotton Bowl Classic being moved to Jerry World and being one of the 6 locations for the CFP--is I suppose what scotched the "Champions" idea.

Instead, that concept was transferred to the Sugar Bowl--which is obviously a bowl used in the CFP--and so that's what we have now.  Sort of a Rose Bowl-lite, without the beautiful scenic venue, the Tournament of Roses, and a century-plus of tradition. Only, in the CFP era, I don't think that both conference champions have ever met there because of the participation in the playoff of one or both of them.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #61 on: December 08, 2019, 08:48:41 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 08, 2019, 08:34:15 PM
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So if ND was an option for the Orange, why the hell did they take UVA?  Florida-ND is a pretty snazzy "other bowl" matchup, no?  We'd like payback for the 91 Sugar Bowl, btw.


I don't know that ND was an option. Not sure the ACC sold out for ND like the Big East did back in the day. They did bend over, but probably not THAT much.


The Orange will be the least watched NYD6 game, I think. PSU/Memphis will draw eyes, for curiosity only, and for PSU, in the considerable B1G footprint.
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The Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) is locked into a 12-year deal (2014–2025) with the Orange Bowl, so if the ACC champion qualifies for the playoffs in a year when the Orange Bowl is not a semifinal host, the next-highest ranked ACC team will play in the Orange Bowl. For the secondary tie-ins, the Southeastern Conference (SEC) and the Big Ten Conference are guaranteed three appearances each, and the University of Notre Dame can play in a maximum of two games, but is not guaranteed any appearances. The ACC team's opponent in a given year will be the highest-ranked available team from the SEC, Big Ten, and Notre Dame, subject to several constraints: the SEC and Big Ten champions are always excluded, and when an SEC and/or Big Ten team qualifies for the College Football Playoff, the next available team would also be excluded from participating in the Orange Bowl due to contractual obligations with the Sugar Bowl and Rose Bowl, respectively. Also, should a highest-ranked team create a rematch with the ACC team, the Orange Bowl has the option of passing over that team for the next-highest ranked team among the Big Ten, SEC, and Notre Dame, again subject to the noted constraints. Rankings are based on the College Football Playoff committee's rankings. ESPN holds the television rights for 12 years as well.[11]

From that, I think that Notre Dame would have been an option for the non-ACC slot in the Orange Bowl.  FWIW, I've been tracking bowl projections ever since early in the season, and since the Irish got their second loss, they've often been projected to the Camping World Bowl.
It seems that, in years when it is not part of the playoff structure, the Orange Bowl is generally the least-watched game.  Maybe it's in competition with the Cotton Bowl for that honor.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #62 on: December 08, 2019, 08:53:17 PM »
Well, screw ND anyway. Join a conference. Or, enjoy the Camping World.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #63 on: December 08, 2019, 09:32:02 PM »
Yeah, they need an opt-out if the ACC 1 or 2 choice isn't in the top 16 or something.  Or allow ND to take over the ACC spot. 

I understand that the conference wants the slot - money, exposure, etc.  But I think it backfires if (when?) the ACC team gets demolished.  Remember WV hanging 70 on Clemson? 
Since Clemson has been good, during the playoff era, the non-Clemson teams are actually 2-1.  But it was GT over Miss St (yawn) and FSU beating Michigan, which turned out to be a great game, but no one cared. 


I'm probably just bitchy that we don't have a sexy opponent.  The ACC without an alpha-dog FSU is totally emasculated.  VT isn't special.  Miami is a dumpster fire.  A perfect shyt storm, I guess.
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« Reply #64 on: December 08, 2019, 09:35:25 PM »
So give ND $5Mil and the rest goes to the AAC/ACC. This game will be a shit show. Nobody is going to watch it, let alone attend it.
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« Reply #65 on: December 08, 2019, 09:35:42 PM »
Florida's had some big games in the Orange Bowl.  We spanked the best team Maryland has had in a long time, 56-23 (I think).  Spanked a Donovan McNabb-led Syracuse team like 31-10.   The other win was Spurrier's Heisman season.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #66 on: December 08, 2019, 09:37:44 PM »
Would you rather play Virginia, or play Michigan or Minnesota or Iowa or ND?

Florida is in a lose-lose here, much like Penn State. 
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #67 on: December 08, 2019, 09:38:51 PM »
I'd rather play any of those over UVA.  I'd prefer ND most.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #68 on: December 08, 2019, 09:47:37 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 09:38:51 PM
I'd rather play any of those over UVA.  I'd prefer ND most.
Definitely the easiest game.


Iowa/Florida would be a bloody game. Those Iowa kids hit, and they hit hard. Just like Florida.
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Re: Bowling For Burgers
« Reply #69 on: December 08, 2019, 10:12:52 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 08, 2019, 09:35:42 PM
Florida's had some big games in the Orange Bowl.  We spanked the best team Maryland has had in a long time, 56-23 (I think).  Spanked a Donovan McNabb-led Syracuse team like 31-10.  The other win was Spurrier's Heisman season.
You beat OU in the 2008 BCS NC game which was played at the Orange Bowl.
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