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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #644 on: January 02, 2021, 01:17:08 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on January 01, 2021, 03:28:25 PM
Man- Hudson getting tossed for his stupid targeting for Cinci- has been so costly. 

Kid who replaced him has false started 3 times, and given up 3 sacks, including a strip sack.
That was the key play of the game.  What a dumbass!
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #645 on: January 02, 2021, 01:43:06 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 01, 2021, 11:43:40 PM
In the wake of a three-year span where Tarkanian led his hip, high-flying Running Rebels to a 95-8 record, back-to-back appearances in the NCAA Final Four and the 1990 National Championship, the relationship between at least four UNLV players and a notorious east coast organized crime figure and convicted point-shaver resulted in his ouster at the school he put on the map.

Less than two months after UNLV was upset by Duke in the 1991 Final Four, the Las Vegas Review Journal printed photos of notorious New York mob associate, Richard (Richie the Fixer) Perry, socializing in a hot tub and horsing around on his backyard basketball court with Running Rebel stars Anderson Hunt, David Butler and Moses Scurry, accompanied by a scathing expose of his various contacts with the program.

Yeah, you're probably right.
In summary, a school gives up mid-major status when:

1. They have a high preseason ranking, and/or:
2. They were put on probation.

https://sportsdelve.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/ncaa-probation-and-division-i-college-basketball/

According to your definitions and this list I estimate there are only  about 6 mid-major basketball programs left in the entire country. 

And the goalposts moved from “They cheated” to “They probably cheated.”





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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #646 on: January 02, 2021, 01:45:17 AM »
So, the whole College Football Nation is going to say that Bama's 17-point victory over Notre Dame proves that the Irish didn't belong in the playoff.

Why won't College Football Nation say the same thing about Clemson?
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #647 on: January 02, 2021, 01:46:56 AM »
I loved seeing Trey Sermon tear up the Clemson D tonight.

Buckeyes can thank former OU RBs coach Jay Boulware for screwing with him while he was at OU, according to one well-informed Sooner alum.


https://twitter.com/bakermayfield/status/1345217908851564544?s=21
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #648 on: January 02, 2021, 01:59:01 AM »
Quote from: rolltidefan on January 02, 2021, 12:25:29 AM
Nah. Sugar bowl champs seems sufficient.
Ohio against the World.
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #649 on: January 02, 2021, 02:10:59 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on January 02, 2021, 01:45:17 AM
So, the whole College Football Nation is going to say that Bama's 17-point victory over Notre Dame proves that the Irish didn't belong in the playoff.

Why won't College Football Nation say the same thing about Clemson?
Because although teams should only be judged on this season and this season alone, they aren’t.  ND was viewed as unworthy as much for their loss to Bama in 2012 as for their loss to Clemson this year.  Clemson’s previous CFP wins gave them as much credibility as any win they got this year.  Is that stupid?  Yes, but short of erasing memories I don’t see it changing.
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #650 on: January 02, 2021, 02:23:41 AM »
Well I was not expecting that but wow!

Now I just hope the Buckeyes can play that well next week. 
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #651 on: January 02, 2021, 02:39:29 AM »
Quote from: Kris60 on January 02, 2021, 01:43:06 AM
In summary, a school gives up mid-major status when:

1. They have a high preseason ranking, and/or:
2. They were put on probation.

https://sportsdelve.wordpress.com/2011/05/31/ncaa-probation-and-division-i-college-basketball/

According to your definitions and this list I estimate there are only  about 6 mid-major basketball programs left in the entire country. 

And the goalposts moved from “They cheated” to “They probably cheated.”
Well...yes.

If Cincinnati cheated and violated recruiting rules to get better players on their team, their program would still be G5 but their roster wouldn't.  Thanks for keeping this tangent going, as I take the blame for it, btw.
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #652 on: January 02, 2021, 02:56:19 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2021, 02:39:29 AM
Well...yes.

If Cincinnati cheated and violated recruiting rules to get better players on their team, their program would still be G5 but their roster wouldn't.  Thanks for keeping this tangent going, as I take the blame for it, btw.
No, I definitely deserve some of the blame. Not to go all 2nd grade but you started it. I mean, this is what you wanted when you posed the question after the UGA game, right?

 The link I posted shows mid-majors have been going on probation for years. UNLV wasn’t the first and won’t be the last.  But because they were more successful than the other ones who got caught doing something you are saying they don’t count as a mid-major.  I guess UT Pan American gets to retain their mid major status because their cheating didn’t result in any winning anything important.

Once again, the years they were put on probation wasn’t the championship year and the NCAA never made them vacate any wins or titles.

Did they probably have recruiting violations with guys on that team? Yeah, probably, but I just assume that goes on to varying degrees basically everywhere.
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« Reply #653 on: January 02, 2021, 02:57:31 AM »
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #654 on: January 02, 2021, 03:02:45 AM »
Quote from: Kris60 on January 02, 2021, 02:56:19 AM
No, I definitely deserve some of the blame. Not to go all 2nd grade but you started it. I mean, this is what you wanted when you posed the question after the UGA game, right?

 The link I posted shows mid-majors have been going on probation for years. UNLV wasn’t the first and won’t be the last.  But because they were more successful than the other ones who got caught doing something you are saying they don’t count as a mid-major.  I guess UT Pan American gets to retain their mid major status because their cheating didn’t result in any winning anything important.

Once again, the years they were put on probation wasn’t the championship year and the NCAA never made them vacate any wins or titles.

Did they probably have recruiting violations with guys on that team? Yeah, probably, but I just assume that goes on to varying degrees basically everywhere.
Here, let me just say UNLV was a mid-major who won a NC in 1990.  You can have it, it's fine, no problem whatsoever.  
That's 1.  Ever.  (since mid-majors have been a thing, which is probably 50 years or so - is that fair?  I don't want that to turn into another bitch-fest tangent)
So 1 in 50 years.  Does that negate my larger point?  I say no, but as well can all agree here, I'm never right.
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #655 on: January 02, 2021, 03:33:11 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on January 02, 2021, 03:02:45 AM
Here, let me just say UNLV was a mid-major who won a NC in 1990.  You can have it, it's fine, no problem whatsoever. 
That's 1.  Ever.  (since mid-majors have been a thing, which is probably 50 years or so - is that fair?  I don't want that to turn into another bitch-fest tangent)
So 1 in 50 years.  Does that negate my larger point?  I say no, but as well can all agree here, I'm never right.
See, that wasn’t so hard, was it? But does the standard really have to be if they don’t win it all it proves they don’t belong? We have seen mid-major programs in the title game in basketball five times since 1998.  We’ve seen numerous mid-majors make the FF in the last 20 years.

I get why they don’t get selected in football but I also get the argument if they are never given a chance how will they prove they can do something in the playoffs.

Btw, we could probably argue about Louisville’s national titles while playing in the Metro but let’s put it to bed.
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #656 on: January 02, 2021, 03:37:30 AM »
If only we, the posters of this board, were the decision-makers, college football would run smoothly, right?  :57:
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Re: Bowling for Burgers 2020 SOC
« Reply #657 on: January 02, 2021, 06:39:01 AM »
Quote from: CWSooner on January 02, 2021, 01:45:17 AM
So, the whole College Football Nation is going to say that Bama's 17-point victory over Notre Dame proves that the Irish didn't belong in the playoff.

Why won't College Football Nation say the same thing about Clemson?
History, Clemson has won when in the CFP, ND has not.

History is interesting.
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