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Topic: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #84 on: May 03, 2021, 01:49:53 PM »
I would guess that a lot of you were singing the same tune, equally dismissive about the Boise-Oklahoma or Michigan-Appalachian State match ups. I also bet that most of you who were that way wound up tuning in by the end of the game, because you didn't want to miss a monster upset that would be talked about for years to come.

It will be the same way here. You might not be exited to see Boise play Georgia, but if Boise comes out and lands a couple of early haymakers all of a sudden your interest will be perked.
Yeah, if I'm even watching any games that day, I might see a score pop up on the tracker on the bottom of the screen and tune in. If I'm browsing this site and one of you guys posts "WTF?!?! is going on in Athens right now?" I might as well. But that assumes I've even got the TV on, and on a sports channel, or I'm on this site.

But this isn't like the NCAA tournament where I'm going to have the R64 games on and flip to the most compelling one. Of course if I'm watching the NCAA and I see UMBC taking UVA down to the wire I'll flip over to that game to see what happens, but otherwise I'll be on the 8/9 or 7/10 matchup that looks close. If I don't have the games on to begin with, I might not even know that Boise got a couple early TDs and is making it interesting. 

It's also not like Boise is going to beat Georgia to make the quarterfinals, and then win three more games straight against the best teams in the country to become champs. Just like in the NCAA tourney, only one 12 seed has ever reached the E8 and no 13-16 seed ever has. The tallest midget might get lucky, once. Maybe even twice with a good draw. But it'll be short-lived. So how compelling is it, if it's not for all the marbles? We talk about UMBC over UVA because it never happened before for a #16. Will we talk for years about the next #16 to pull it off?

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #85 on: May 03, 2021, 01:54:54 PM »
First Fro insists that there is no way that two G5 Champions could possibly face each other in round one. 
I said the Sun Belt and MWC champs wouldn't meet.  And the last 2 full seasons supported that.
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #86 on: May 03, 2021, 01:57:16 PM »
I would guess that a lot of you were singing the same tune, equally dismissive about the Boise-Oklahoma or Michigan-Appalachian State match ups.
Yes, of course, because that's 2 out of tens of thousands of games.  You're making the point for me.  You'd have decades of slaughters for that one absurd upset.  Why?!?!
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #87 on: May 03, 2021, 01:58:52 PM »
In this day and age with phones and social media people get "score alerts" when they aren't on TV or using their computers. 

How many times do we see a weekend in September where all the pundits spend the whole week telling us to get our yardwork in because there won't be any compelling match ups, then when it unfolds it turns out to be one of the best Saturdays of the season full of monster upsets or last second beefs? 
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #88 on: May 03, 2021, 02:09:49 PM »
Cam would probably opt out
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #89 on: May 03, 2021, 02:23:45 PM »
We can invent "worst case" scenarios under the current playoff format as well. 
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #90 on: May 03, 2021, 02:57:51 PM »
like when Iowa st and Notre Dame get in next season?
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #91 on: May 03, 2021, 02:59:37 PM »
I'm with OAM. I likely wouldn't watch any game until we were past the first-round byes and into the quarterfinals of 8.

It would be pointless before that.
I take it this is a change from all the UAB games you watch now?

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #92 on: May 03, 2021, 03:03:46 PM »
Honestly, this would be an even bigger lie to the have-nots. 

Here, you get a seat at the table.....here's your chance!  But it's no chance.  Beat OSU then Clemson then Alabama. 

That seat at the table is nothing more than an annual beat-down on national television.  An opportunity to be on someone else's highlight film.  It's disrespectful and a sick joke. 
Woo-Hoo!  We made it to the playoff!  Hope we score! 
I mean, you want the regular season to count or you don't. I think this system produces a regular season that counts without watering it down. Yes, you would get some mismatches, but we have lots of mismatches now, so I'm not sure that is much of an argument. The whole point is to spread the wealth - our current system puts all the best players on a small handful of teams, and then you are saying that having all the best players on a small handful of teams should prevent us from trying something else.

My points: 
- Under this system, the regular season would count MUCH more
- It would encourage good programs to stay good. Boise, or Cincy, or whoever else can build a program and make it to a meaningful postseason, and isn't kept out basically due to politics.

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #93 on: May 03, 2021, 03:20:34 PM »
I take it this is a change from all the UAB games you watch now?
I'm a proponent of the 5+1+2 system. It will produce one slaughter, not 3-4, but it actually does still give the G5 a meaningful path to have a seat at the table. I'd probably be willing to watch #8 UAB vs #1 Bama in the quarters just in case of an upset, but am I going to watch #11 UAB vs #6 Oregon? Eh... I don't really care if UAB upsets Oregon...

If you water the playoff down too much, those early games aren't going to be compelling TV.

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #94 on: May 03, 2021, 03:39:24 PM »
I know some of you like criticizing me no matter what I say, and that's cool.  It seems to be what the internet is all about.  
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My larger, overall point when it comes to the have-nots of college football winning it big or having something to look forward to is that in BOTH circumstances, both now and in an expanded playoff, the lie that they're in the same division as the upper 2/3 of the P5 programs.  And that the lie doesn't go away with 8 or 12 teams in the playoff.  
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I don't understand why so many people want them in this purgutory forever for some impossible upset every 3 decades, THEN getting squashed in the next round.  It's what I would design if I hated these programs - toturing them, making them have very public destructions, all while dangling that pretty brass ring perpetually out of reach.  It's demented.
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #95 on: May 03, 2021, 03:41:33 PM »
I mean, you want the regular season to count or you don't. I think this system produces a regular season that counts without watering it down. Yes, you would get some mismatches, but we have lots of mismatches now, so I'm not sure that is much of an argument. The whole point is to spread the wealth - our current system puts all the best players on a small handful of teams, and then you are saying that having all the best players on a small handful of teams should prevent us from trying something else.

My points:
- Under this system, the regular season would count MUCH more
- It would encourage good programs to stay good. Boise, or Cincy, or whoever else can build a program and make it to a meaningful postseason, and isn't kept out basically due to politics.
A mismatch that is expected vs a mismatch that isn't are two entirely different things, and you know this.  Clemson waxing an Urban Meyer-led OSU team is major......waxing UAB?  Yawn.  

Why do I even have to type that????
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #96 on: May 03, 2021, 03:46:33 PM »
I know some of you like criticizing me no matter what I say, and that's cool.  It seems to be what the internet is all about. 
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My larger, overall point when it comes to the have-nots of college football winning it big or having something to look forward to is that in BOTH circumstances, both now and in an expanded playoff, the lie that they're in the same division as the upper 2/3 of the P5 programs.  And that the lie doesn't go away with 8 or 12 teams in the playoff. 
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I don't understand why so many people want them in this purgutory forever for some impossible upset every 3 decades, THEN getting squashed in the next round.  It's what I would design if I hated these programs - toturing them, making them have very public destructions, all while dangling that pretty brass ring perpetually out of reach.  It's demented.
Dude, I get it. It is a have / have-not system. 

I would not really be opposed to a system where the P5 break away into a league of 64-70 teams. As you say, it would at least be honest. 

But I don't think that's very likely. 

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #97 on: May 03, 2021, 03:57:25 PM »
. Boise, or Cincy, or whoever else can build a program and make it to a meaningful postseason, and isn't kept out basically due to politics.
Politics?      :s_laugh:

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