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Topic: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum

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MaximumSam

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #70 on: May 02, 2021, 07:46:42 PM »
There are zero formats in which a SJST would play Coastal in a playoff.
I was saying that while on my phone, and trying to do it in my head. But a 12 team playoff with 10 autobids and 2 at large would have led to (assuming byes for top 4)

1. Alabama (SEC)
2. Clemson (ACC)
3. OSU (B1G)
4. ND (at large)
5. TAMU (at large) v. 12. UAB (CUSA)
6. Oklahoma (B12) v. 11. Ball St (MAC)
7. Cincinnati (AAC) v. 10. Oregon (P12)
8. Coastal Carolina (Sun Belt) v. 9. SJSU (MWC)

I'm basing the ratings on the final playoff rankings - UAB, Ball State, and Oregon weren't ranked so I am just guessing there. But Coastal was 12th and SJSU 24th so that's not crazy. Of course, I don't think the playoff types are pushing for autobids for every conference, even though I think that could really do wonders for TV ratings for MACtion and the like.

Edit: Oregon was 25th

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #71 on: May 02, 2021, 08:52:01 PM »
1983 is  unique season where SOS didn't exist somehow.  Auburn got screwed....hard....without its consent.
Miami jumped from 5 to 1.  Had a blowout loss early on.
Texas beat Auburn early on, and lost by 1 point to UGA.
UGA only lost to Auburn, by a TD.
And of all of those, UNL was the juggernaut with the weakest schedule by far, and the 1-point loss to the Canes.
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That would have been a slobberknocker of a 4-team playoff, but still, one of them is getting screwed out of it.  Based on the final regular season poll:
Miami wouldn't have made the playoff (5th)
Georgia wouldn't either (7th)
10-1 SMU (a very popular team in Whoa Nellie) wouldn't make it
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You'd have 1 Nebraska vs 4 Illinois, which would have been assault & battery, and
2 Texas vs 3 Auburn in a rematch
Osborne always said he was in favor of a playoff
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #72 on: May 02, 2021, 09:23:01 PM »
I was saying that while on my phone, and trying to do it in my head. But a 12 team playoff with 10 autobids and 2 at large would have led to (assuming byes for top 4)

1. Alabama (SEC)
2. Clemson (ACC)
3. OSU (B1G)
4. ND (at large)
5. TAMU (at large) v. 12. UAB (CUSA)
6. Oklahoma (B12) v. 11. Ball St (MAC)
7. Cincinnati (AAC) v. 10. Oregon (P12)
8. Coastal Carolina (Sun Belt) v. 9. SJSU (MWC)

I'm basing the ratings on the final playoff rankings - UAB, Ball State, and Oregon weren't ranked so I am just guessing there. But Coastal was 12th and SJSU 24th so that's not crazy. Of course, I don't think the playoff types are pushing for autobids for every conference, even though I think that could really do wonders for TV ratings for MACtion and the like.

Edit: Oregon was 25th
In real life, you wouldn't have a 4-3 PAC-12 champ, so the Sun Belt and MWC would be on the 9-12 seeded side of things.  If you want to use the convoluted 2020 season as an example of anything, have at it, but I won't be paying attention.
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #73 on: May 02, 2021, 09:47:16 PM »
In real life, you wouldn't have a 4-3 PAC-12 champ, so the Sun Belt and MWC would be on the 9-12 seeded side of things.  If you want to use the convoluted 2020 season as an example of anything, have at it, but I won't be paying attention.
Using 2019
1. LSU (SEC)
2. OSU (B1G) 
3. Clemson (ACC)
4. Oklahoma (B12)
5. Georgia (at large) v. 12. Miami (MAC)
6. Oregon (P12) v. 11. FAU (CUSA)  
7. Baylor (at large) v. 10.  App. State (Sun Belt)
8. Memphis (AAC) v. 9. Boise (MWC)

2018
1. Alabama (SEC) 
2. Clemson (ACC) 
3. Notre Dame (at large)
4. Oklahoma (B12)
5. Georgia (at large) v. 12. NIU (MAC)
6. Ohio State (B1G) v. 11. UAB (CUSA)  
7. UCF (AAC)  v. 10.  App. State (Sun Belt)
8. Washington (P12) v. 9. Fresno State (MWC)

I wonder how much the rankings actually mattering would've affected that kind of booby prize of fifth place for UGA. 

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« Reply #74 on: May 03, 2021, 12:33:00 PM »
Using 2019
1. LSU (SEC)
2. OSU (B1G)
3. Clemson (ACC)
4. Oklahoma (B12)
5. Georgia (at large) v. 12. Miami (MAC)
6. Oregon (P12) v. 11. FAU (CUSA)
7. Baylor (at large) v. 10.  App. State (Sun Belt)
8. Memphis (AAC) v. 9. Boise (MWC)

2018
1. Alabama (SEC)
2. Clemson (ACC)
3. Notre Dame (at large)
4. Oklahoma (B12)
5. Georgia (at large) v. 12. NIU (MAC)
6. Ohio State (B1G) v. 11. UAB (CUSA)
7. UCF (AAC)  v. 10. App. State (Sun Belt)
8. Washington (P12) v. 9. Fresno State (MWC)

I wonder how much the rankings actually mattering would've affected that kind of booby prize of fifth place for UGA.

Thanks for the examples showing what I said.  Look at these games.......every year, IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP PLAYOFF....we'd have 2 preseason-type games:  Georgia vs Miami(OH).  That's hot.  And this isn't some middling, shitty UGA team who barely makes a bowl, but the 5th-ranked UGA team who will evicerate the MAC champs.  
Oregon vs FAU?  And the Owls aren't getting a fat check from the Ducks?  For shame!
Ohio State vs UAB.  UAB?  
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My TV would be off.  Period.
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #75 on: May 03, 2021, 12:38:08 PM »
I'd still be watching, but I hope it never comes to this
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #76 on: May 03, 2021, 12:51:33 PM »
Honestly, this would be an even bigger lie to the have-nots. 

Here, you get a seat at the table.....here's your chance!  But it's no chance.  Beat OSU then Clemson then Alabama. 

That seat at the table is nothing more than an annual beat-down on national television.  An opportunity to be on someone else's highlight film.  It's disrespectful and a sick joke. 
Woo-Hoo!  We made it to the playoff!  Hope we score! 
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #77 on: May 03, 2021, 01:01:24 PM »
but, with a seat, they pick up a check

it's all about the $$$
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #78 on: May 03, 2021, 01:05:27 PM »
Thanks for the examples showing what I said.  Look at these games.......every year, IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP PLAYOFF....we'd have 2 preseason-type games:  Georgia vs Miami(OH).  That's hot.  And this isn't some middling, shitty UGA team who barely makes a bowl, but the 5th-ranked UGA team who will evicerate the MAC champs. 
Oregon vs FAU?  And the Owls aren't getting a fat check from the Ducks?  For shame!
Ohio State vs UAB.  UAB? 
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My TV would be off.  Period.
I'm with OAM. I likely wouldn't watch any game until we were past the first-round byes and into the quarterfinals of 8. 

It would be pointless before that. 

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #79 on: May 03, 2021, 01:07:21 PM »
It's conceivable that a team like Boise could get a major recruiting boost if the MWC has an auto-bid. 

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #80 on: May 03, 2021, 01:22:38 PM »
so, some Boise recruits and their mothers might attend those first round playoff games, if they're given tickets?

probably no one else in the seats
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« Reply #81 on: May 03, 2021, 01:27:21 PM »
First Fro insists that there is no way that two G5 Champions could possibly face each other in round one. After being shown evidence that it would have indeed happened each of the last three years, he immediately moves the goalposts from that to braying about how the other three match ups are all P5 vs G5. Instead of calling him on it, the rest of the board is just like "damn right, um hum." 
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #82 on: May 03, 2021, 01:41:36 PM »
First Fro insists that there is no way that two G5 Champions could possibly face each other in round one. After being shown evidence that it would have indeed happened each of the last three years, he immediately moves the goalposts from that to braying about how the other three match ups are all P5 vs G5. Instead of calling him on it, the rest of the board is just like "damn right, um hum."
I think we were talking two different scenarios, one with few tallest midgets and one with automatic representation of every G5 conference champion.

I believe his first point was referring to the idea that throwing G5 teams in there would just be an automatic slaughter, which absolutely makes sense if you consider that there might only be 1 at large G5 team in the field (probably seeded around 9-11th) and one G5 auto-bid conference champ (quite likely seeded 12th and facing the 5th-best team in the country). A G5-G5 matchup in that sense would be extraordinarily uncommon.

Obviously if you have all G5 champions included, that means in the play-in to the quarterfinals you will likely have 5 G5 teams and 3 P5 teams. As a result you're forced to have at least one G5-G5 matchup, but will basically never have more than two. 

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #83 on: May 03, 2021, 01:41:53 PM »
I would guess that a lot of you were singing the same tune, equally dismissive about the Boise-Oklahoma or Michigan-Appalachian State match ups. I also bet that most of you who were that way wound up tuning in by the end of the game, because you didn't want to miss a monster upset that would be talked about for years to come.

It will be the same way here. You might not be exited to see Boise play Georgia, but if Boise comes out and lands a couple of early haymakers all of a sudden your interest will be perked.
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