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Topic: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2021, 10:13:30 AM »
this simply encourages a conference to protect their best team.  That one or two conference teams that have a better chance of making the 4-team playoff.

giving Ohio St. and Oklahoma and Clemson and USC/Oregon the most advantages year after year to ensure your conference gets a seat at the money table is ugly
When has this happened?  
When have the other 11-13 teams stood by as a conference catered to their best team?
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2021, 10:13:57 AM »
In a few years, UGA has scheduled three P5 teams in a single season, two of whom are the likes of Ohio State and Clemson, etc.  I think we'd see that end abruptly, as teams vied to play more pastries to get to 11-1 at least.




That's ridiculous. 
With auto-bids for conference champs, you are better off sharpening iron with iron in the OOC slate, in order to best prepare yourself for a run at the conference title. 
It would go back to pre-BCS OOC scheduling, imo. 
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2021, 10:18:05 AM »
I think you're better off playing two pastries to start the year, then your conference slate, then another pastry before a Big Game, and then some sole P5 team like Georgia Tech that isn't very good.  

Then you can finish 11-1 and likely make a 12 game playoff.  Play OSU and Clemson early and get beat twice, perhaps, and players injured, and a new QB scared of the rush, and bad things ensue.

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2021, 10:26:33 AM »
If your goal is to avoid injuries, then yes. 

If your goal is to play someone that will make you better, and prepare you for a conference title run, no. 

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2021, 10:29:05 AM »
I think you're better off playing two pastries to start the year, then your conference slate, then another pastry before a Big Game, and then some sole P5 team like Georgia Tech that isn't very good. 

The SEC is allowed to do this.  Nobody else is.

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2021, 10:31:20 AM »
When has this happened? 
When have the other 11-13 teams stood by as a conference catered to their best team?
ask the Big 12

remember that little 3-way tie breaker that just happened to go to the Sooners?
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2021, 11:40:00 AM »
ask the Big 12

remember that little 3-way tie breaker that just happened to go to the Sooners?
Poor planning = funnelling support behind the best team?  

If they are the best team, does it matter?  
I'm confused.  What year is this?  Wasn't it just the hgihest-ranked in the BCS in 2008?
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2021, 11:47:14 AM »
We aren't solving world hunger here, this is an entertainment product
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2021, 12:15:10 PM »
Pro and Cons of an 8 team playoff (same as for 12 mostly).

Pros

1.  More high level games in January
2.  Just making the playoff gets your team some credit
3.  More money, esp. if first round games are played at host stadia
4.  Probably some more

Cons

1.  The bowl games will become even less important outside the ones included.
2.  That 8-9-10 pick will be controversial nearly every year, as will seeding.
3.  On occasion, that 8 seed will upset a 1 seed (and 7-2 etc.).
4.  School Presidents will jaw about student athlete stuff.
5.  Some players may sit it all out and prepare for the Draft (esp. for bowl teams only).
6.  The final rounds would need to be indoors or far south making many teams travel.
7.  A fan would have to buy three tickets in effect if he thinks his team will make it through.  $$$
8.  Probably some more.

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2021, 01:04:48 PM »
4 teams when there are 5 "power" conferences is perfect.  It's survival of the fittest.  It encourages working and becoming a multi-year elite program and earning those benefits o the doubt.  
This makes me chuckle because it is so in line with the extremely particular and highly rigid OAM world view. 

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2021, 01:26:51 PM »
They'll never win.  And it creates a ton more interesting games.  Allowing 3 loss P5 schools makes the regular season completely meaningless
It strikes me that we just have to accept that if meaning is derived from the pursuit of a playoff, in any system, more than 8 in 10 (maybe 9 in 10) regular season games are completely meaningless. 

Which I suppose is fine in its own way. It's fair to say we prefer the weight of meaning to be in a particular set of games vs. a particular other set of games. 

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2021, 01:32:28 PM »
as Saban eluded.........

it's fine for the top 15 teams, but the other 100 programs then have no reason to care.  their bowl games and regular season are meaningless
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2021, 01:51:01 PM »
as Saban eluded.........

it's fine for the top 15 teams, but the other 100 programs then have no reason to care.  their bowl games and regular season are meaningless
But if there were two teams, or no title game at all, wouldn’t most of those games be about as meaningless?

if the answer is, having a good season by whatever standards you have, facing and beating a solid team in a bowl and getting a nice trip out of it are 100 percent without meaning, then the majority of the sport wasn’t worth caring about to start with. And I just don’t think that’s the case. 

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2021, 01:57:45 PM »
This makes me chuckle because it is so in line with the extremely particular and highly rigid OAM world view.

To most, The idea that playoff spots now is in part determined by the success of people years ago or decades ago is more bug than anything else. But to some, it’s a feature.
What's rigid about reality?

Under the current format, the have-nots aren't getting into the playoff.  Whether you go back 4 years or 40 years, they're simply not invited to the party.  But they could be.  All they have to do is keep winning and keep winning and get into the playoff and win some more.  
No, it's absoutely not fair to each individual team-season of that program, but it's the reality of the situation.  

And yes, any playoff should be exclusive.  
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