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Topic: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #126 on: May 04, 2021, 11:59:04 AM »
I don't recall reading him say that...

Maybe you're extrapolating what you thought he "meant" based on what he didn't say, as you seem to think we're all capable of doing when you offer half a thought and then get offended when we think the other unwritten half isn't what you intended?
Or how I build half a castle and some here finish off with a giant rubber ducky, sure.
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #127 on: May 04, 2021, 11:59:35 AM »
Purdue won't  join the Mac, so speculation is unwarranted for whatever reason.
Of course it won't, but that system would incentivize them to.  
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #128 on: May 04, 2021, 12:17:01 PM »
Fro is truly a perineal powerhouse on these here boards. 
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #129 on: May 04, 2021, 12:37:31 PM »
I don't mind speculation, on things that are scantly possible at least.


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« Reply #130 on: May 04, 2021, 12:42:05 PM »
Fro is truly a perineal powerhouse on these here boards.
I don't think much of you, either. 
Especially recently.  Did your dog die?  Wife cheat on you?  Lately you've been unbearable.
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« Reply #131 on: May 04, 2021, 12:46:16 PM »
Or how I build half a castle and some here finish off with a giant rubber ducky, sure.
Maybe your past statements suggest that the rest is going to look like a rubber ducky.

Perhaps if you, ONCE, would complete the f$#&%g castle you wouldn't have to backtrack and act offended that we've misinterpreted what you DIDN'T say.

Of course it won't, but that system would incentivize them to. 
No, it wouldn't because you're assuming Sam said something he didn't--that it would put the MAC on par (respect, money, etc) with the B1G. 

Look at basketball. Every conference gets a seat at the tournament table. Have you seen any team struggling in a good conference try to leave for a lesser one, just to be the "big fish in a small pond"?

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #132 on: May 04, 2021, 01:01:00 PM »
So because it hasn't happened means theres no incentive to?  

I disagree.
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #133 on: May 04, 2021, 01:06:22 PM »
Thanks for the examples showing what I said.  Look at these games.......every year, IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP PLAYOFF....we'd have 2 preseason-type games:  Georgia vs Miami(OH).  That's hot.  And this isn't some middling, shitty UGA team who barely makes a bowl, but the 5th-ranked UGA team who will evicerate the MAC champs. 
Oregon vs FAU?  And the Owls aren't getting a fat check from the Ducks?  For shame!
Ohio State vs UAB.  UAB? 
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My TV would be off.  Period.
That second Georgia team definitely had the ability to play incredibly shitty. This is exceptionally beside the point, but that UGA team with the South Carolina loss it had on his résumé being number five was just horrific ranking.

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #134 on: May 04, 2021, 01:17:47 PM »
So because it hasn't happened means theres no incentive to? 

I disagree.
Not saying that... I'm saying that you're overestimating the incentive to leave, and not recognizing the incentive to stay.

For Purdue in particular, there are numerous reasons to stay in the Big Ten:

  • Money... Money, money, money. Purdue makes tons of money from the Big Ten's TV contracts. Purdue makes more money from ticket sales hosting home games vs Big Ten opponents than it would hosting MAC opponents--Purdue doesn't always fill their stadium TODAY against lesser opponents due to location--1 hr from Indy and 2 hrs from Chicago. Purdue also makes money from Big Ten team revenue sharing with bowl appearances--even when Purdue doesn't make a bowl game.
  • Pride... Purdue is a founding member of the Big Ten. Even though the football team is not regularly competitive, Purdue does not want to give up their seat at the big boy table. Fans would LOSE THEIR SH!T if Purdue chose to go to the MAC. The powers that be don't want to go to the MAC. It's like deliberately admitting we're not good enough to be Big Ten members, and nobody wants that. 
  • Basketball... Purdue may suck at football, but going to the MAC would lose our seat at the big boy table for basketball. That's also a revenue sport, and at Purdue it means something. 
  • Rivalries... Purdue and IU are rivals. Purdue is NOT going to walk away from that, PARTICULARLY if Purdue would unilaterally leave the Big Ten and Indiana didn't. This also goes back to pride... You think Purdue is going to duck IU by joining the MAC? In what world? Would Miss State ever move to a lower conference if it meant they looked like they were ducking Ole Miss to do it? 
  • Academics... I realize that some people don't believe that it matters, but it matters. 
  • Recruiting... Purdue today recruits who they recruit because they're in the B1G, even if they're not a power. Long-term, dropping to a lower conference would mean they're unlikely to be the "big fish in a small pond" forever--maybe they'd remain top-half of the MAC, but it's not like they could sustain B1G-level recruiting if they're not in the B1G. 

The incentive of an outside chance of making it to the playoff by dropping to a lower level of competition is NOTHING compared to the above. 

So no, it's not going to happen. 

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #135 on: May 04, 2021, 01:21:46 PM »
That second Georgia team definitely had the ability to play incredibly shitty. This is exceptionally beside the point, but that UGA team with the South Carolina loss it had on his résumé being number five was just horrific ranking.
There just wasn't anyone else to put at 5, in effect, and the USCe loss was particularly bad, no doubt.

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #136 on: May 04, 2021, 01:24:38 PM »
It will be interesting to see how Fro tops the Purdue=>Mac argument with the next thing that he flings at the wall in order to see if it sticks. 

I am not sure how he will manage to top it, but I do know that he will try. 
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #137 on: May 04, 2021, 01:27:15 PM »
Not saying that... I'm saying that you're overestimating the incentive to leave, and not recognizing the incentive to stay.

For Purdue in particular, there are numerous reasons to stay in the Big Ten:

  • Money... Money, money, money. Purdue makes tons of money from the Big Ten's TV contracts. Purdue makes more money from ticket sales hosting home games vs Big Ten opponents than it would hosting MAC opponents--Purdue doesn't always fill their stadium TODAY against lesser opponents due to location--1 hr from Indy and 2 hrs from Chicago. Purdue also makes money from Big Ten team revenue sharing with bowl appearances--even when Purdue doesn't make a bowl game.
  • Pride... Purdue is a founding member of the Big Ten. Even though the football team is not regularly competitive, Purdue does not want to give up their seat at the big boy table. Fans would LOSE THEIR SH!T if Purdue chose to go to the MAC. The powers that be don't want to go to the MAC. It's like deliberately admitting we're not good enough to be Big Ten members, and nobody wants that.
  • Basketball... Purdue may suck at football, but going to the MAC would lose our seat at the big boy table for basketball. That's also a revenue sport, and at Purdue it means something.
  • Rivalries... Purdue and IU are rivals. Purdue is NOT going to walk away from that, PARTICULARLY if Purdue would unilaterally leave the Big Ten and Indiana didn't. This also goes back to pride... You think Purdue is going to duck IU by joining the MAC? In what world? Would Miss State ever move to a lower conference if it meant they looked like they were ducking Ole Miss to do it?
  • Academics... I realize that some people don't believe that it matters, but it matters.
  • Recruiting... Purdue today recruits who they recruit because they're in the B1G, even if they're not a power. Long-term, dropping to a lower conference would mean they're unlikely to be the "big fish in a small pond" forever--maybe they'd remain top-half of the MAC, but it's not like they could sustain B1G-level recruiting if they're not in the B1G.

The incentive of an outside chance of making it to the playoff by dropping to a lower level of competition is NOTHING compared to the above.

So no, it's not going to happen.
I'm sorry you typed all this, I appreciate it.....I picked Purdue out of a hat.  It could be Arizona to the MWC or Ole Miss to the Sun Belt.....it's about the idea, not the specific school.
I suppose I should have typed that out earlier, huh?

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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #138 on: May 04, 2021, 01:28:16 PM »
It will be interesting to see how Fro tops the Purdue=>Mac argument with the next thing that he flings at the wall in order to see if it sticks.

I am not sure how he will manage to top it, but I do know that he will try.
I suppose I'm not used to interacting with people who take every single little thing so literally.  It's....different.
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Re: Bleacher Report says 12 team CFP gaining momentum
« Reply #139 on: May 04, 2021, 01:32:04 PM »
I'm sorry you typed all this, I appreciate it.....I picked Purdue out of a hat.  It could be Arizona to the MWC or Ole Miss to the Sun Belt.....it's about the idea, not the specific school.
I suppose I should have typed that out earlier, huh?

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Again, almost all of those arguments apply to almost any school you come up with.

Ole Miss is going to make MUCH more money from the SEC than the Sun Belt, regardless of playoff chances. Ole Miss isn't going to leave the SEC without Mississippi State out of pride and a desire to not look weak for their rivalry. Ole Miss doesn't have the basketball argument, of course, and I'm not sure about academics... It's the SEC after all. 

Arizona has the same money/pride/rivalry/academic arguments, and in a PAC that is traditionally weaker than the other P5 conferences, their chances of an occasional playoff berth in the PAC isn't that bad. They do also have a good basketball team. 

Again, you can pull all sorts of names out of a hat. You're dismissing all the non-Playoff advantages of being in a P5 conference, which are overwhelming.

 

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