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Topic: Big Ten Power Rankings - Receivers

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Receivers
« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2020, 06:45:05 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on June 17, 2020, 06:23:53 PM
Tiller’s recruiting legacy?
Meaning he had Tiller's players for almost his entire tenure. He only had 4 years, although you can claim he might have affected recruiting more than most because he came in as head-coach-in-waiting for a year before he took over. 

I wasn't saying Tiller was a great recruiter, mind you. Especially in his later years. But during Tiller's tenure, Purdue was a mid-level Big Ten team and recruited like a... mid-level Big Ten team. After Tiller, recruiting went downhill and ended in the Big Ten cellar during Hazell's years. 
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Receivers
« Reply #57 on: June 17, 2020, 08:20:19 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 17, 2020, 06:45:05 PM
Meaning he had Tiller's players for almost his entire tenure. He only had 4 years, although you can claim he might have affected recruiting more than most because he came in as head-coach-in-waiting for a year before he took over.

I wasn't saying Tiller was a great recruiter, mind you. Especially in his later years. But during Tiller's tenure, Purdue was a mid-level Big Ten team and recruited like a... mid-level Big Ten team. After Tiller, recruiting went downhill and ended in the Big Ten cellar during Hazell's years.
I don't mean to be rude, but I think this might be a case of a little memory sliding to fit narrative. These are the recruiting classes that made up the first hope team. 

12th (of 12)
9th
10th
9th
5th (RS seniors)

The guy inherited a 4-8 that was losing its QB, top RB, top two WRs and lost the longtime DC who left because he didn't get the job (he did inherit a couple very high level DL). That team goes 5-7 and finishes in the middle of the conference. Then the slip badly, rebound to a degree and then obviously fizzled. 

That's not to say Hope was a particularly good coach, but he inherited a mostly not good roster save for a couple very good linemen. His classes were also not good, though they did include three interesting names who all were solid elsewhere and got NFL looks.
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« Reply #58 on: June 17, 2020, 08:34:45 PM »
Maybe you're right... But it just seems like even Hope had more to work with coming in than Brohm did. 
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« Reply #59 on: June 18, 2020, 08:56:45 AM »
I think most fans views frosts rebuild a little differently.   Solich had TO's talent and couldn't maintain it.   BC brought in talent but couldn't coach it.   BP had a similar problem to solich... his teams felt less talented as time went on.. meaning the program was heading south...   Mr. Oregon State destroyed/diminished almost every aspect of the program.   For Frost, he has the toughest rebuild and as Frank said, lessons were probably learned.   If I had a do over, I wish the AD would have told Solich he needed 2 lights out recruiters on his staff and forced that issue.   Tried to make it work.  But some guys think they can mold clay into stone.  It doesn't always work in mass.
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« Reply #60 on: October 20, 2020, 03:05:34 PM »
Seems biggest change here is Nico Collins leaving Michigan, and J.D. Spielman leaving Nebraska. 
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« Reply #61 on: October 20, 2020, 03:35:42 PM »
Spielman has 5 receptions for 56 yards in 3 games for the frogs

he seems happy there.  Nice article - apparently with some mental health issues he didn't feel comfortable in Lincoln and needed a fresh start.  Good luck to him.
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« Reply #62 on: October 20, 2020, 03:44:32 PM »
MSU's WRs seem to be the biggest positional surprise out of camp.  I would think Jalen Nailor staying healthy would be a big part of that.

Tight ends look like an absolute mess.  They moved a DE and backup walk on punter into the position group for depth.  Doesn't sound like Matt Dotson will be helathy to start he year.
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« Reply #63 on: October 20, 2020, 03:45:47 PM »
backup walk on punter??? is the kid 6'-5"?  can he run?
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« Reply #64 on: October 20, 2020, 03:49:28 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on October 20, 2020, 03:45:47 PM
backup walk on punter??? is the kid 6'-5"?  can he run?
Apparently he's a weird athletic freak.  That said, it's certainly not good.  Trenton Gillison is a former 4*, who looked good in the bowl game, and should break at #1.  But with Seybert graduating, and Dotson still nursing his achilles injury, you've got a low 3* true freshman; a DE who is actually an MLB prospect; and the walk on punter.  Not ideal.
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings - Receivers
« Reply #65 on: October 20, 2020, 03:51:03 PM »
might as well go to the spread

not many two TE formations
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