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Topic: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 9

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LittlePig

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Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 9
« on: October 27, 2024, 05:17:24 AM »
This is my first draft.  Some tweaks are coming later

1.  Oregon 
2.  Indiana
3.  Ohio St
4.  Penn St
5.  Iowa
6.  Wisconsin
7.  Illinois
8.  Michigan
9.  Mich St
10.  Minnesota
11.  Nebraska
12.  Washington
13.  USC
14.  MD
15.  UCLA
16.  NW
17.  Rutgers
18.  Purdue
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 9
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2024, 07:22:01 AM »
1. Oregon
2. Indiana
3. Penn State
4. Ohio State
5. Illinois 
6. Iowa
7. Washington 
8. Michigan 
9. Nebraska
10. Wisconsin
11. Michigan State
12. USC
13. Minnesota 
14. Rutgers
15. Maryland 
16. UCLA
17. Northwestern 
18. Purdue
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 9
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2024, 07:36:45 AM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 9
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2024, 09:07:10 AM »

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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 9
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2024, 01:46:41 PM »
1. Oregon
2. Indiana
3. Penn State
4. Ohio State
5. Illinois 
6. Iowa
7. Michigan 
8. Nebraska
9. Washington 
10. Wisconsin
11. Michigan State
12. USC
13. Minnesota 
14. Rutgers
15. Maryland 
16. UCLA
17. Northwestern 
18. Purdue
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 9
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2024, 06:50:26 PM »

Purdue and Northwestern? 

Does either even know how to play? 

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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 9
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2024, 08:02:17 PM »
1)Ducks barring injury they'll prolly finish here
2)Lions beat USC/UW on the road - at nite and undefeated
3)Hoosiers using the Huskers as the metric
4)tOSU congrats Day your behind the Hoosiers

5)Gophs
6)Illini
7)Badgers
8)'Skers
9)Wolverines
10)hawkeyes
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 9
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2024, 11:36:54 AM »
1. Penn State
2. Oregon
3. Ohio State
4. Indiana
5. Illinois
6. Iowa
7. Wisconsin
8. Washington
9. Minnesota
10. Nebraska
11. Michigan
12. Michigan State
13. USC
14. Rutgers
15. Maryland
16. UCLA
17. Northwestern
18. Purdue
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 9
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2024, 07:29:32 PM »
Check out the every B1G line for Week 10 here, via Circa Sports:

Northwestern at Purdue (-2)
Minnesota at Illinois (-3)
Indiana (-6) at Michigan State
USC (pk) at Washington
Wisconsin at Iowa (-4)
UCLA at Nebraska (-9)
Oregon (-15) at Michigan
Ohio State (-3) at Penn State
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 9
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2024, 08:11:53 PM »
For years I did a chart of schedule/performance and I missed my chart so I made it for this year:


As per usual, some results just don't make sense.  

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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 9
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2024, 10:27:21 PM »
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 9
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2024, 12:12:12 PM »
1) Oregon: yes, I've been giving OSU the benefit of the cross-country travel doubt, and the same thing applies to beating Illinois at home, but...
2) PSU: a complete team that doesn't appear flashy, but their quarterbacks are strong and their defense is legit. They will be in every game they play, even against the best teams in the country.
3) Ohio State: not a great result against Nebraska in the Horse Shoe. Sure, teams have bad days, but teams already with a loss get punished for another not-so-great performance, even if it's a win.
4) Indiana: obviously.
5) Iowa: because this is where Iowa lives. And that was a quality win over Northwestern.
6) Illinois: can't punish them too much for a loss on the other side of the country against a really good team.
7) Wisconsin: with a clear gap between #4 and #5, I'm not overly disturbed by the loss to Penn State. But I do want to see fewer Locke interceptions.
8) Michigan: it wasn't a blowout, but it was a win.
9) Michigan State: the question is whether to move USC up with its win. Not with the losses to Maryland and Minnesota, and a similar score line against Michigan.
10) USC: hard to play in Los Angeles. Not as hard to play in Big Ten territory.
11) Washington: lost to a team several steps above it. Doesn't move it down.
12) Nebraska: moving them up following a loss over a team that just won? That was a tough effort in Columbus. Showed some grit.
13) Minnesota: moving them down after a win? They were playing Maryland.
14) Northwestern: lost, but I'm not moving UCLA up for sitting on the couch.
15) UCLA: still might be better than the record indicates. 
16) Rutgers: traveling across the country is hard, yes, but the bloom is off the rose.
17) Maryland: just not very good, even with the win against USC.
18) Purdue: just happy to have the week off.

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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 9
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2024, 05:43:07 PM »
5) Iowa: because this is where Iowa lives. And that was a quality win over Northwestern.
6) Illinois: can't punish them too much for a loss on the other side of the country against a really good team.
So, I was all set to dispute this because my thinking was that the Illini are an obvious #5 but then I looked at it and I can see a credible argument either way.  From my table above:

The reason I was thinking that Illinois was an obvious #5 was that their losses are about as good as it gets.  They lost road games to two of the best teams in the league.  Granted they weren't all that competitive (especially the Oregon loss) but neither was Iowa's loss in Columbus and obviously Iowa's double-digit loss in East Lansing is a LOT worse than Illinois' double-digit loss in Happy Valley.  So far, the Illini are an obvious choice.  The sticking point is that the Illini needed OT to beat Purdue at home.  How is that even possible?  Purdue is 0-4 and in their other three games they lost:
  • by 18 to Nebraska (H)
  • by 35 to Oregon (H)
  • by 46 to Wisconsin (A)
Illinois should have blown the Boilermakers off the field but they only barely won.  How?  


Frankly, I think the outliers just have to be ignored once they are definitively identified.  Pretty much every team has one or two:
  • Indiana only beat UWash, UMD, and NU by 14-17 points each, they shouldn't have beaten UNL by 49.  
  • Oregon - not sure yet
  • Penn State shouldn't have needed OT against USC (unless you count 2-timezone HFA as being worth like 17).  
  • Ohio State beat Iowa by 28 and MSU by 31, they should have beaten UNL by 4 TD's.  
  • Illinois, see above.  
  • Iowa beat MN by 17 and UWash by 24, they should have beaten MSU by around that.  
  • Michigan is interesting.  They are 3-0 at home with close wins over MN, MSU, and USC and they are 0-2 on the road with losses to IL and UWash.  Maybe it is just a H/A thing for them, we'll find out this weekend.  
  • MN - not sure yet.  
  • UWisc - that blowout loss to USC only makes sense if you count 2-timezone HFA as being worth like 35).  
  • Nebraska is a complete enigma.  The close losses to tOSU and IL and the blowout of PU look good.  The blowout to IU and close win over RU look terrible.  
  • How did MSU beat the crap out of Iowa while barely surviving UMD?  
  • UWash - The loss to Rutgers is inexplicable.  
  • USC - Competitive with PSU, M, and MN and beat the crap out of RU but lost to UMD?  
  • Northwestern only has one win . . . but it was by four scores and didn't come against PU?
  • UCLA - RU?
  • UMD - how do you lose to NU by 27?  At home no less.  
  • RU - If you are good enough to be competitive with UCLA, UWash, and UNL you shouldn't get run off the field by USC.  
  • PU - As bad as they have been in their other games, how did they push Illinois to OT in Champaign?  


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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 9
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2024, 05:58:45 PM »
I agree that all the teams seem to have a WTH game. So assuming that one shouldn't read too much into that one game, what else do we know about them?

For Wisconsin, we know that the Badgers suck in the second half against helmet teams. 
To me the struggle comes with the three helmet teams at the bottom: how bad are Michigan, Washington, and USC, really? How much of their seasons so far is bad luck, too much travel, etc.

Any time (with the exception of the RichRod years) that I have Wisconsin above Michigan on these things, I think to myself: would I really favor Wisconsin in that matchup at a neutral site? (Irony alert, one of the worst RR Michigan teams ever still somehow beat a decent Wisconsin team. I'm literally shaking my head over that one right now.) The answer is usually "no." Michigan just has too many good athletes. I assume the same thing is true about Washington and USC, but I don't know them as well. USC surely always has a bunch of glitz and glamor around it.

Also, that 2008 Wisconsin team is still such a puzzle. That team was loaded defensivley as Badger talent goes. And it massively underperformed.

 

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