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Topic: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 8

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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 8
« Reply #70 on: October 23, 2025, 05:13:07 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on October 23, 2025, 04:34:11 PM
But I think in many conferences, perhaps specifically the second-tier-but-not-G5 conferences (ACC / B12), there might be a long shot team that will ONLY get into the playoff by winning the CCG. For that team type of team, I don't think a bye is deserved.
I have a hard time seeing an ACC/Big 12 champ not being in the top 12.  And this isn't a 4 team CFP.  It's a 12 team CFP.  If it makes the CCGs have meaning, I don't see the downside.  The only downside I see is that you are putting meaning into the Big Ten and SEC CCGs, which I don't see as a downside.

This is entertainment, we aren't solving world hunger, and the current format does a great job of sucking all of the entertainment out.  To me, the answer is so obvious, thats its predictable that they can't figure it out
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 8
« Reply #71 on: October 23, 2025, 05:17:35 PM »
Quote from: ELA on October 23, 2025, 05:13:07 PM
I have a hard time seeing an ACC/Big 12 champ not being in the top 12.  
Really? It already happened. Clemson was #16, and Arizona State just BARELY snuck in at 12. 


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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 8
« Reply #72 on: October 23, 2025, 10:54:44 PM »
the office pools will emerge when we have a 24-team playoff
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 8
« Reply #73 on: October 24, 2025, 09:25:23 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on October 23, 2025, 04:34:11 PM
IMHO, I do think one aspect of this is that the top 5 conference champs get an auto-bid is all the "gift" that they need.
This right here!

Why gift them a first round bye on top of that? reserve that for the teams that actually earned it. 

However, based on the results of the playoffs last year, having a first round bye may not be such a good thing. ~???
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 8
« Reply #74 on: October 24, 2025, 09:30:38 AM »
we should have learned by now that we certainly should NOT base things on last season's playoffs
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 8
« Reply #75 on: October 24, 2025, 09:33:51 AM »
well bye weeks do backfire quite often
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 8
« Reply #76 on: October 24, 2025, 03:12:16 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on October 23, 2025, 04:34:11 PM
IMHO, I do think one aspect of this is that the top 5 conference champs get an auto-bid is all the "gift" that they need.

That was always one of my issues with the 4-team playoff. You never knew what path would or wouldn't get you into the field. At least with this, effectively any P4 conference champ is going to get in, regardless of their record.

I don't think it's a good idea to then gift mediocre teams a bye on top of that.

This year, if somehow the B1G conference championship is a #1v#2 matchup, then to an extent you're right that the CG isn't all that important. Even the loser of that game--assuming it's not something like 59-0--will likely remain top-4 and get a bye.

But I think in many conferences, perhaps specifically the second-tier-but-not-G5 conferences (ACC / B12), there might be a long shot team that will ONLY get into the playoff by winning the CCG. For that team type of team, I don't think a bye is deserved.
In terms of competition I'm not sure how big of a gift it is.  As you know I'm a big proponent of the argument that HFA matters so I'm definitely not saying that it doesn't but if BYU hosts the loser of the B1G or SEC championship game I don't think HFA is going to be nearly enough for them.  

I like the idea of there being some kind of reward for winning your conference and "penalty" for not winning it.  
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 8
« Reply #77 on: October 24, 2025, 03:32:50 PM »
No rankings from me next week as I will not be watching any games tomorrow.

My son does not have regular TV in his house.
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 8
« Reply #78 on: October 24, 2025, 03:33:42 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on October 24, 2025, 09:30:38 AM
we should have learned by now that we certainly should NOT base things on last season's playoffs
If you will note, I only mentioned last years playoffs in that every team that got a bye lost their first round game. My suggestion was that teams that actually earned a bye should get one which would be contray to the results of last seasons playoff. 
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 8
« Reply #79 on: October 24, 2025, 03:34:52 PM »
Regular TV?
Does that suggest there exists an irregular TV?
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 8
« Reply #80 on: October 24, 2025, 03:49:37 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on October 24, 2025, 03:34:52 PM
Regular TV?
Does that suggest there exists an irregular TV?
He got kids channels for streaming educational stuff.
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 8
« Reply #81 on: October 24, 2025, 04:03:27 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 24, 2025, 03:12:16 PM
I like the idea of there being some kind of reward for winning your conference and "penalty" for not winning it. 
Well, as mentioned... You win your [power] conference CG, your reward is an automatic berth in the CFP.

I.e. last year Clemson and Arizona State wouldn't have gotten in at all, if they didn't win their CCG.

Do you really think Boise and ASU "earned" first round byes? I feel like the only reason to reward them with byes is to keep Texas/PSU out of having a bye in the first round because they lost their CG. It seems like you're punishing them but the teams you're elevating are also undeserving...
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 8
« Reply #82 on: October 24, 2025, 05:00:05 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on October 24, 2025, 04:03:27 PM
Well, as mentioned... You win your [power] conference CG, your reward is an automatic berth in the CFP.

I.e. last year Clemson and Arizona State wouldn't have gotten in at all, if they didn't win their CCG.

Do you really think Boise and ASU "earned" first round byes? I feel like the only reason to reward them with byes is to keep Texas/PSU out of having a bye in the first round because they lost their CG. It seems like you're punishing them but the teams you're elevating are also undeserving...
You are not wrong and TBH, I think a big part of it for me is that I'm just getting hung up on the meaningless CG issue. That also doesn't have to be true for both teams. Let's say one of tOSU/IU wins out and hits the CG at 12-0 and #1 while the the other one loses a couple games so that the other CG participant is a 9-3/7-2 team. Ok, the CG is REALLY important for the 9-3/7-2 team because they are in with a win and (probably) out with a loss but for the 12-0 team it is basically a meaningless practice.
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 8
« Reply #83 on: October 24, 2025, 05:48:30 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on October 24, 2025, 05:00:05 PM
You are not wrong and TBH, I think a big part of it for me is that I'm just getting hung up on the meaningless CG issue. That also doesn't have to be true for both teams. Let's say one of tOSU/IU wins out and hits the CG at 12-0 and #1 while the the other one loses a couple games so that the other CG participant is a 9-3/7-2 team. Ok, the CG is REALLY important for the 9-3/7-2 team because they are in with a win and (probably) out with a loss but for the 12-0 team it is basically a meaningless practice.
Exactly. And then if the 9-3/7-2 team pulls off an upset over the 12-0 or 11-1 team, do you REALLY want them to have a bye? 

The 9-3/7-2 team gets an automatic berth. Good for them! And the 12-0 or 11-1 team at least has a reasonable chance to drop out of the top 4 as a result of a loss, so they might also get punished. 

I just don't see the harm in two 12-0 teams facing each other, knowing that the loser will still get a bye, being all that terrible. That's still two teams that went 12-0 in the regular season. 

I feel like seeding that's CCG-blind ultimately will reward the teams that deserve it, while punishing the teams who don't. I want to make conference championships important so I'm all in favor of an automatic berth, but I feel a bye shouldn't be automatic.
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