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Topic: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 11

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LittlePig

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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 11
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2024, 09:16:24 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on November 11, 2024, 09:01:59 AM
16. UCLA

Wow.  I guess you are not impressed at all with UCLA's current 3-game win streak.
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 11
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2024, 09:20:21 AM »
Rutgers, Nebraska, and Iowa aren't real impressive wins

the 3 games left on the Bruins schedule aren't impressive either but 6 in a row against anyone will get you something

Washington, USC, Fresno
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 11
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2024, 10:10:04 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 11, 2024, 09:20:21 AM
Rutgers, Nebraska, and Iowa aren't real impressive wins

the 3 games left on the Bruins schedule aren't impressive either but 6 in a row against anyone will get you something

Washington, USC, Fresno
Wow,  if that's the case,  then I guess no team in the bottom 14 really has any impressive wins.  Not arguing with you.  I am just re-stating I guess what everybody is thinking.
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 11
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2024, 10:34:59 AM »
4 very good teams in the B1G obviously

Iowa and Minnesooota each have 4 conference wins - no wins vs the top 4

Iowa had one chance and lost 35-7 to the Buckeyes
Minnesota has a chance at home coming up vs Penn St. - we shall see
Iowa does have the win over the Gophers - probably their most impressive win
Gopher's most impressive win?  Illinois on the road
and just lost to Rutgers

Illinois is probably the other team that might be pretty good besides Iowa and Minnesota
2 chances vs the top 4 - 21-7 @ PSU, 38-9 @ Oregon
Illinois dosen't have a bad loss - no impressive win
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 11
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2024, 10:36:42 AM »
Last week in parentheses, trying my strategy of just ranking #5-#16 based on +/- against each other, assuming home team should win, then sorting ties by MOV in those games

  • OREGON (1) - another workman-like win
  • OHIO STATE (2) - possibly Will Howard's best game
  • INDIANA (3) - offense finally challenged, but defense stepped up
  • PENN STATE (4) - if a White Out happens on Peacock, did it really happen?
  • UCLA (11)
  • IOWA (5) 
  • MINNESOTA (7)
  • MICHIGAN STATE (13)
  • WISCONSIN (9)
  • USC (15)
  • ILLINOIS (8)
  • MICHIGAN (10)
  • WASHINGTON (6)
  • MARYLAND (14)
  • NEBRASKA (12)
  • RUTGERS (16)
  • NORTHWESTERN (17) - bye week
  • PURDUE (18) - long drive, kicking a chip shot FG, when FGs aren't going to help, then missing it anyway sums it all up
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 11
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2024, 11:59:09 AM »
1) Still Ohio State.
2) Still Oregon.
3) Still Indiana: closer than one would think it should be, but a win over Michigan is always a good win, and the Hoosiers will be unfeated going to the Horse Shoe.
4) Still Penn State.
5) Still Iowa. Not a good loss, but traveling to the West Coast is hard, and UCLA is better than we think. Turns out that beat down to IU wasn't that bad.
6) I don't know: Illinois? Good week off. Still has some good wins and tough losses?
7) Today? Michigan on a neutral field against everyone below here.
8) UCLA: every team has a head scratcher; UCLA's is the loss to Minnesota. But the rest of their games? Looks like a solidly middle of the pack team.
9) Minnesota: some good, some bad, put 'em in the middle.
10) Wisconsin: big chance to take advantage of the travel issue this week...but don't count on it.
11) Michigan State: week off, no change, but UCLA moved up.
12) Washington: lost in one of the tougher road environments to a better team.
13) USC: no game, no change.
14) Nebraska: no game, no change.
15) Rutgers: quality win at home.
16) Northwestern: no game, no change.
17) Maryland: showed some fight, but no.
18) Purdue: same as it ever was (this season).
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 11
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2024, 12:40:32 PM »
Quote from: ELA on November 11, 2024, 10:36:42 AM
    MICHIGAN STATE (13)WISCONSIN (9)USC (15)ILLINOIS (8)MICHIGAN (10)
So Michigan, Wisconsin and Illinois have better conference records and overall records than MSU and they fall below? With Michigan also beating MSU?
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 11
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2024, 12:51:37 PM »
Quote from: SuperMario on November 11, 2024, 12:40:32 PM
So Michigan, Wisconsin and Illinois have better conference records and overall records than MSU and they fall below? With Michigan also beating MSU?
I mentioned in last weeks thread after Iowa and Minnesota that it seems like There is a clear top 4 and clear bottom 2, and that everyone from #5 through #16 is about the same, with the home team winning.  So I just rated the teams in that group this week based on how they are doing among that group, assuming everyone is going to lose to the top 4, and beat the bottom 2, regardless of location.  So I gave teams a +1 for road wins among that middle group, and -1 for home losses among that group.  Then among ties I just sorted by point differential.  So it's a completely new methodology.  I should have just thrown LW out, because it wasn't really a basis for anything.
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 11
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2024, 01:13:24 PM »
Quote from: ELA on November 11, 2024, 12:51:37 PM
I mentioned in last weeks thread after Iowa and Minnesota that it seems like There is a clear top 4 and clear bottom 2, and that everyone from #5 through #16 is about the same, with the home team winning.  So I just rated the teams in that group this week based on how they are doing among that group, assuming everyone is going to lose to the top 4, and beat the bottom 2, regardless of location.  So I gave teams a +1 for road wins among that middle group, and -1 for home losses among that group.  Then among ties I just sorted by point differential.  So it's a completely new methodology.  I should have just thrown LW out, because it wasn't really a basis for anything.
I was having the same dilemma when I did my power rankings.  I ended up with MSU above Mich even though MIch had a better record and had beaten MSU.  But MSU had a win at MD,  and Mich has done nothing special on the road except play Indiana close.  So I had Mich surpisingly low even though it felt wrong.

The other team I was having trouble ranking was Wisconsin.  In my first draft I had them #14.  But then I decided I was not giving them credit enough for their 2 road wins so I moved them up all the way to #8,  which still seems high to me.

In the end, roads wins and home losses don't seem like such a big deal to some teams,  like Minn and NW.  But then are other teams like Wash and Mich that it matters a lot.
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 11
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2024, 01:17:43 PM »
Quote from: ELA on November 11, 2024, 12:51:37 PM
I mentioned in last weeks thread after Iowa and Minnesota that it seems like There is a clear top 4 and clear bottom 2, and that everyone from #5 through #16 is about the same, with the home team winning.  So I just rated the teams in that group this week based on how they are doing among that group, assuming everyone is going to lose to the top 4, and beat the bottom 2, regardless of location.  So I gave teams a +1 for road wins among that middle group, and -1 for home losses among that group.  Then among ties I just sorted by point differential.  So it's a completely new methodology.  I should have just thrown LW out, because it wasn't really a basis for anything.
Interesting. I thought it was a homerism but there's definitely an interesting dynamic.  Just to clarify, the +/- road/home is only based on the games against each other in that center group? It wouldn't include games against the top 4 or bottom 2?
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 11
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2024, 01:19:53 PM »
Quote from: SuperMario on November 11, 2024, 01:17:43 PM
Interesting. I thought it was a homerism but there's definitely an interesting dynamic.  Just to clarify, the +/- road/home is only based on the games against each other in that center group? It wouldn't include games against the top 4 or bottom 2?
Correct.  Although all of those games have gone according to script except Northwestern beating Maryland
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 11
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2024, 01:49:14 PM »
Does it matter to anyone if your team ends up at 
#5 or #15 in the center group

if your #5 you get a crap bowl game and some extra practices
but, is this something to be proud of?

Obviously, Iowa and Illinois don't want to lose out and drop to #15
Nebraska and Iowa would like to win out and take some of that into the offseason but......

who cares?
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 11
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2024, 02:18:54 PM »
Boy everybody is so down today.


I would say in general,  programs on the rise would care because they need signs they are making progress.   Programs that have been lurking in the middle for years probably dont care because it's the same old same old

I would think somebody like Nebraska would care if they finish #5 because they have missed a bowl in how many straight years?

Maybe somebody like Iowa doesnt care because there is nothing special about finishing #5 to them.  They have been to the Citrus Bowl 2 out of last 3 years.  Iowa fans are fine with skipping all the Florida Bowls this year.  I heard many Iowa fans would actually prefer the bowl in Arizona this time..
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Re: Big Ten Power Rankings After Week 11
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2024, 02:52:28 PM »
for Nebraska........as I stated above

if your #5 you get a crap bowl game and some extra practices

but, is this something to be proud of?

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