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Topic: Big Ten East v West

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Hawkinole

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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2021, 02:29:34 AM »
Quote from: LittlePig on October 06, 2021, 01:33:56 PM
Ugh, if current power rankings hold, this projects out to the West finishing 6-16 this year.  If the Big Ten ends up scrapping the divisions after this year,  this would be a horrible way for the West to go out.

But if the current power rankings hold, then at least the West will win the CCG for the first time, with Iowa beating OSU.  I guess I will believe that when I see it,  but that may be a way to remove some of the sting from the absolute atrocious performance by the West  in 2021.
What evidence is there that divisional realignment occurs in 2022? Haven't we looked at this over the years and found that East and West were one or two games apart at season end? So we are going to scrap this because Ohio State dominates the championship game? That's one team. Are we going to place them in the West with Michigan? This makes no sense. I know msu beat Iowa in 2015, but that was down to the wire.
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LittlePig

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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2021, 07:45:48 AM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on October 08, 2021, 02:29:34 AM
What evidence is there that divisional realignment occurs in 2022? Haven't we looked at this over the years and found that East and West were one or two games apart at season end? So we are going to scrap this because Ohio State dominates the championship game? That's one team. Are we going to place them in the West with Michigan? This makes no sense. I know msu beat Iowa in 2015, but that was down to the wire.

Right, if the BigTen keeps divisions, they will probably keep the East-West format,  but there is talk that the Big Ten might scrap its divisions and go with a divisionless format where each team plays 3 to 5 protected rivals each year and play everybody else at least 50% of the time.  Then have the top 2 teams go the CCG.  This would require a change to the NCAA's current rules for CCG.

No evidence right now,  there is just talk and speculation that schedules may change with a potential scheduling alliance between the BigTen, ACC and PAC coming.  There is talk that the BigTen will reduce the number conference games from 9 to 8 games so that each team can play 1 or 2 games against the ACC or PAC.

If the BigTen goes to 8 conference games, they may decide to switch to a divisionless format so that everybody will play everybody else at least 50% of the time.
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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #44 on: October 08, 2021, 08:29:10 AM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on October 08, 2021, 02:29:34 AM
What evidence is there that divisional realignment occurs in 2022? Haven't we looked at this over the years and found that East and West were one or two games apart at season end? So we are going to scrap this because Ohio State dominates the championship game? That's one team. Are we going to place them in the West with Michigan? This makes no sense. I know msu beat Iowa in 2015, but that was down to the wire.
I don't have time right now, maybe later today but I'd be interested to compare B1G-E and B1G-W team by team such that we could exclude one or two really good or really bad teams.  

What I'm driving at is if the B1G-E dominates ONLY because tOSU dominates the B1GCG then there is no reason to scrap or change divisions because no matter where you put tOSU, that division would dominate.  OTOH, if it is more than that then there might be.  
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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #45 on: October 08, 2021, 08:34:41 AM »
Penn State and Michigan State also won the Big Ten in the East-West era, but those were razor thin games that came down to the wire.
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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #46 on: October 08, 2021, 12:45:58 PM »
I was going to say, non-OSU East teams are 3-1 in the CCG.

The one time OSU lost a CCG was when they had to play a current East team.
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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #47 on: October 08, 2021, 01:38:39 PM »
Quote from: Abba on October 08, 2021, 08:34:41 AM
Penn State and Michigan State also won the Big Ten in the East-West era, but those were razor thin games that came down to the wire.
In the East/West era prior to this year and not counting the CG (I'll add that back in later), here are the cross-divisional records by school and by year:


That is about as even as you could realistically hope for:
  • West by one game in 2016
  • Tied in 2014, 2015, and 2020
  • East by one game in 2018 and 2019
  • East by five games in 2017
The B1G-E won by a LOT in 2017 but other than that it has been pretty even.  With the exception of 2017 we have headed into the CG every year either tied or within one game.  

Here are the CG's:
  • 2014 B1G-E tOSU over UW, 59-0
  • 2015 B1G-E MSU over IA, 16-13
  • 2016 B1G-E PSU over UW, 38-31
  • 2017 B1G-E tOSU over UW, 27-21
  • 2018 B1G-E tOSU over NU, 45-24
  • 2019 B1G-E tOSU over UW 34-21
  • 2020 B1G-E tOSU over NU 22-10
B1G-E is 7-0 in CG's.  As you stated, MSU's and PSU's wins in 2015 and 2016 were one-score games as was tOSU's win in 2017 but the other four tOSU wins were by 12, 13, 21, and 59 points.  FWIW, under Legends/Leaders we had two one-score games (UW over MSU by a FG and MSU over tOSU by a TD) and a blowout (UW over UNL by 29).  


When you add in the CG's, it isn't close:
  • Tied in 2016
  • East by one game in 2014, 2015, and 2020
  • East by two games in 2018 and 2019
  • East by six games in 2017

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #48 on: October 08, 2021, 01:41:24 PM »
Quote from: ELA on October 08, 2021, 12:45:58 PM
I was going to say, non-OSU East teams are 3-1 in the CCG.

The one time OSU lost a CCG was when they had to play a current East team.
Current B1G-E teams are 8-2 in the B1GCG and one of the two losses was inevitable because the CG was between two current B1G-E teams.  

Current B1G-W teams are 2-8 in the B1GCG and one of the two wins was inevitable because the CG was between two current B1G-W teams.  
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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2021, 12:27:20 PM »
Updated for 10/16 games:

  • PSU won at UW, 1-0 B1G-E
  • tOSU won at MN, 2-0 B1G-E
  • Iowa won vs IU, 2-1 B1G-E
  • MSU won vs UNL, 3-1 B1G-E
  • MSU won at NU, 4-1 B1G-E
  • UMD won at IL, 5-1 B1G-E
  • Iowa won at UMD, 5-2 B1G-E
  • M won at UW, 6-2 B1G-E
  • Iowa won vs PSU, 6-3 B1G-E
  • M won at UNL, 7-3 B1G-E
  • NU won vs RU, 7-4 B1G-E

We are half way done and here are the remaining games:
  • PSU vs IL on 10/23
  • M vs NU on 10/23
  • UMD at MN on 10/23
  • RU at IL on 10/30
  • tOSU at UNL on 11/6
  • MSU at PU on 11/6
  • UW at RU on 11/6
  • tOSU vs PU on 11/13
  • IU vs MN on 11/20
  • IU at PU on 11/27
  • B1GCG

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LittlePig

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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #50 on: October 18, 2021, 01:23:42 PM »
New Projections suggest the East with 12-9 advantage before the CCG.  13-9 East after the CCG.
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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2021, 12:13:08 PM »
Updated for 10/23 games:

  • PSU won at UW, 1-0 B1G-E
  • tOSU won at MN, 2-0 B1G-E
  • Iowa won vs IU, 2-1 B1G-E
  • MSU won vs UNL, 3-1 B1G-E
  • MSU won at NU, 4-1 B1G-E
  • UMD won at IL, 5-1 B1G-E
  • Iowa won at UMD, 5-2 B1G-E
  • M won at UW, 6-2 B1G-E
  • Iowa won vs PSU, 6-3 B1G-E
  • M won at UNL, 7-3 B1G-E
  • NU won vs RU, 7-4 B1G-E
  • IL won at PSU, 7-5 B1G-E
  • M won vs NU, 8-5 B1G-E
  • MN won vs UMD, 8-6 B1G-E
We are now two-thirds of the way through the regular season games and here are the remaining games:
  • RU at IL on 10/30
  • tOSU at UNL on 11/6
  • MSU at PU on 11/6
  • UW at RU on 11/6
  • tOSU vs PU on 11/13
  • IU vs MN on 11/20
  • IU at PU on 11/27
  • B1GCG


Illinois' shocking upset in Happy Valley keeps this interesting.  The B1G-W is now actually within two games and they are hosting #14 this weekend which could get it within one so long as IL doesn't suffer a hangover loss.  We'll see.  
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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2021, 12:18:15 PM »
If you flip a coin 22 times, it's not unusual to see it come up 13-9.
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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2021, 12:21:20 PM »
that's some tedious research on the coin flipping
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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2021, 12:27:55 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on October 25, 2021, 12:21:20 PM
that's some tedious research on the coin flipping
He is retired, he has time to flip coins!
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LittlePig

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Re: Big Ten East v West
« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2021, 01:18:01 PM »
Funny how things always seem to even out in the East-west race.  New Projections suggest East will have a 11-10 advantage going into the CCG and 12-10 advantage after the CCG. 

MD,  Rut, Ind and PSU not representing the East as well as everybody thought they would.   

 Who would have thought before the season,  if told PSU would go 1-2 against the West, that the 1 win would be against Wisconsin?
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