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Re: Best tOSU team since '57
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2022, 09:46:33 AM »
yup, the Huskers beat two of the greatest Sooner teams of all-time

Switzer always said his 78 team was his best - 9 fumbles losing 6 doomed them in Lincoln

Obviously, the 71 Sooner team that lost the game of the Century in Norman was possibly Chuck Fairbanks best team
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Re: Best tOSU team since '57
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2022, 11:04:48 AM »
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Re: Best tOSU team since '57
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2022, 01:11:10 PM »
Some of the best teams in a lot of programs lost "that one game", which is an indicator of how tough it is to run the table.

Even if you play only 7 games that you could lose and have a 90% chance of winning each, your odds of losing are pretty high.

And that would be a dominant team.
Yep, and some of that is just dumb luck.  If you have your "off game" against Directional State U, you probably just win less impressively than expected and it is forgotten in a few weeks.  If you have you "off game" against a good team you take a loss.  Prior to the CFP and especially prior to the BCS one off game at the wrong time doomed a lot of truly great teams to not winning a NC.  

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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2022, 01:28:57 PM »
The 1998 team was one of the most dominant teams I had seen. Outside of the disaster of a game against MSU, they man handled everyone on the schedule. (The MSU game as the only game that season that I didn't get to watch as I was helping a realtive with a big project. I did listen to it on the radio, but I have never seen the entire game. Not sure I want to).
I'm sure I've told this story here before but it still bothers me and every time that game comes up I think about it:

A very inconsiderate family member chose to get married on that particular College Football Saturday so I went to the wedding with my parents and brother.  In between the wedding and the reception we watched the first half at a sports bar somewhere in Canton.  As halftime ended it was time to head to the reception and the Buckeyes were up 17-9 which was mildly concerning because the Buckeyes had mauled most of their previous opponents and the Spartans were just 4-4 coming in so this was supposed to be a blowout.  

On the way to the reception we had the game on the radio and as we were parking the Buckeyes got a pick-6 to make the lead a bit more comfortable at 24-9 with the third quarter winding down.  We went into the reception thinking that the game was pretty much in hand . . .

It wasn't.  After that I missed the part where the game became Murphy's Law for Ohio State as everything that could go wrong did and MSU won 24-28.  The crazy thing is that MSU finished just 6-6 while Ohio State's closest other games were:
  • A 10 point win over aTm, the Aggies finished 11-3 and #11.  They were #8 at gametime and got as high as #6 that season..  
  • A 15 point win over Michigan, the Wolverines finished 10-3 and #12.  They were #11 at gametime and got as high as #5 that season.  
  • A 17 point win over WVU on the road, the Mountaineers finished 8-4 and among the ORV.  They were #11 at gametime and that was their peak ranking for the season.  
  • A 21 point win over PSU, the Nittany Lions finished 9-3 and #17.  They were #7 at gametime which was their peak ranking for the season.  
  • A 21 point win over Mizzou, the Tigers finished 8-4 and #21.  They were #21 at gametime and got as high as #13 that season.  

It is just the crazy randomness of sports that a team could be good enough to beat the above five very good teams by two scores each yet lose at home to a mediocre MSU team that finished 6-6.  

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Re: Best tOSU team since '57
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2022, 04:49:36 PM »
i'll go 2019. imo, got screwed by refs in fiesta. not sure they could have won vs the buzzsaw that was 19 lsu, but that team was legit.

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Re: Best tOSU team since '57
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2022, 06:30:03 AM »
I had thought they were dangerously good this past year, I still don't fully understand what happened at UM beyond the usual.  I bet a lot of programs have had 2 loss teams that were among their best overall.

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Re: Best tOSU team since '57
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2022, 09:57:07 AM »
I had thought they were dangerously good this past year, I still don't fully understand what happened at UM beyond the usual.  I bet a lot of programs have had 2 loss teams that were among their best overall.
one of bama's best teams from a talent standpoint was a 3-loss team, 2010. that team had ingram, julio, trent richardson, marcel dareus, hightower, dre kirkpatrick, upshaw, barron, dj fluker, barret jones, josh chapman, cj mosley, chance warmack, eddie lacy. coaches include 4 cfb head coaches (not counting saban) in mcelwain, smart, pruitt and signetti. that team was supremely talent, but injuries and complacency got the better of them. lot of coulda-woulda-shoulda's with that team.

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Re: Best tOSU team since '57
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2022, 11:01:33 AM »
Yeah, I bet we all can point to woulda shoulda teams in our history of that ilk.

It was really before my time, but the 1965 UGA team was very talented, we're told, but injuries decimated their prospects.


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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2022, 11:24:06 AM »
Still Think the 1975 team was the best I ever saw. 

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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2022, 11:51:27 AM »
The 1998 team was one of the most dominant teams I had seen. Outside of the disaster of a game against MSU, they man handled everyone on the schedule. (The MSU game as the only game that season that I didn't get to watch as I was helping a realtive with a big project. I did listen to it on the radio, but I have never seen the entire game. Not sure I want to).
That 98 team opened the season in Morgantown against a WVU team that had a lot of preseason expectations of their own.  They were preseason #11 and a trendy pick to win the BE.  Ohio St came in and beat them 34-17.  Nehlen has said he regrets scheduling Ohio St to open that season.  He said that team had a lot of swagger and never really regained after losing the first game of the year.  Went on the have a solid, but unspectacular 8-4 year.

That 98 OSU team was excellent.

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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2022, 01:13:38 PM »
Still Think the 1975 team was the best I ever saw.
That was before my time (I was born in May of 1975 so I was in diapers when those games were played) but I think I read somewhere that Woody thought that was his best team.  Woody's nine-year run from 1968-1975 was phenomenal and the only thing detracting from that is that despite being "NC Caliber" for nine straight years (or at least eight of the nine with 1971 possibly excluded) they somehow only won one NC. 

1968:
The 1967 team finished unranked but 1967 was the last year of the 10-team poll era so that is perhaps a bit misleading as they were decent at 6-3.  Ohio State started #11, beat #1 Purdue in early October to climb to #2, obliterated #4 Michigan 50-14 to move to #1, then beat defending NC USC in the Rose Bowl.  FWIW, USC had a running back named OJ Simpson who won the Heisman that year and found later fame in other pursuits. 

1969:
The 1968 team was made up largely of Sophomores (Freshman were not eligible to play at the time) so with nearly the entire team retuning the Buckeyes were preseason #1 and stayed there through eight straight wins to open the season.  The closest of those eight wins was a 27 point win on the West Coast over Washington.  Then they went to Ann Arbor where they hadn't lost since 1959 to play a team that they had mauled the previous year under a first year coach who had been an assistant under Woody, some guy named Bo:
  • 24-12
  • 8-1
  • No bowl due to league's RB only rule
  • No NC

1970:
With virtually the entire team returning yet again they started #1 again.  They did drop to #3 then further to #5 after an unimpressive FG win over a sub-.500 Purdue squad.  That PU game was the week before Michigan and apparently the Buckeyes were looking ahead because the next week they beat #4 Michigan 20-9.  Heading into the bowls and what happened:
  • 10-0 Texas, lost to #6 ND in the Cotton Bowl
  • 9-0 Ohio State, lost to #12 Stanford in the Rose Bowl
  • 10-0-1 Nebraska, beat #5 LSU in the Orange Bowl
  • 10-1 Tennessee, beat #11 Air Force in the Sugar Bowl
  • 9-2 LSU, lost to #3 UNL in the Orange Bowl
  • 9-1 Notre Dame, beat #1 Texas in the Cotton Bowl
  • 9-1 Michigan, no bowl due to league rule

That was one of those exciting Bowl seasons where the Cotton, Rose, and Orange Bowls were all relevant to the NC.  #1 Texas' loss to #6 in the Cotton Bowl opened the door for #2, #3, #4, and #5.  #2 Ohio State's loss in the Rose Bowl opened the door for #3, #4, and #5.  #3 Nebraska's win in the Orange Bowl eliminated #5 LSU and shut the door on #4 Tennessee.  In the final poll it was UNL, ND, TX, TN, tOSU. 

1971:
This was by far the worst record of this group.  The Buckeyes lost all those Super Sophomores from 1968 and started #11.  They annihilated Iowa in their opener and moved up to #5 but that proved to be a bit of a mirage as basically everybody annihilated Iowa that year.  The Buckeyes finished 6-4 and unranked but the four losses were:
  • By 3 to a Michigan team that finished 11-1 and #6
  • By 4 to a Northwestern team that finished 7-4 receiving votes
  • By 6 to a Colorado team that finished 10-2 and #3 (Big8 went 1-2-3 with 13-0 UNL #1, 11-1 OU #2)
  • By 7 to a Michigan State team that finished 6-5 unranked

That is far from great but all four losses were by one score and two of them were to teams that finished in the top-6. 

1972:
After the rebuilding year of 1971 the Buckeyes started 1972 at #3 and bounced around the top-5 until an inexplicable loss at MSU dropped them to #9.  They were still #3 heading into The Game where they beat previously undefeated and #3 Michigan.  They headed into the Rose Bowl at #3 but lost to undefeated and #1 USC who won the NC. 

A win in the Rose Bowl *MIGHT* have won the NC for the Buckeyes.  It would have been an interesting vote.  Heading into the Bowls and what happened:
  • 11-0 USC, beat #3 tOSU in the Rose Bowl
  • 10-1 OU, beat #5 PSU in the Sugar Bowl
  • 9-1 tOSU, lost to #1 USC in the Rose Bowl
  • 10-1 Bama, lost to #7 Texas in the Cotton Bowl
  • 10-1 PSU, lost to #2 OU in the Sugar Bowl
  • 9-1 Auburn, beat #13 Colorado in the Gator Bowl
  • 9-1 Texas, beat #4 Bama in the Cotton Bowl
  • 10-1 Michigan, no bowl due to league rule
  • 8-2-1 Nebraska, beat #12 ND in the Orange Bowl
If Ohio State had defeated USC then the NC would have come down to OU vs tOSU.  OU's loss to Colorado was better than tOSU's loss to MSU but tOSU's hypothetical win over USC would have been arguably better than OU's best win (Texas).  

1973:
The Buckeyes started #3 and climbed to #1 on October 1.  Heading into The Game the undefeated Buckeyes were #1 while the undefeated Wolverines were #4.  Anything but a tie would have pushed one of the two to #1 but:
  • 10-10
  • Alabama moved up to #1
  • Notre Dame beat Bama in the Sugar Bowl and won the NC
The 1973 Buckeyes outscored their opponents 38-6.  They only allowed 64 points all year and 31 of those came against Michigan and USC. 

1974:
The Buckeyes started #2 and held #1 for a big chunk of the year before another inexplicable loss at MSU dropped them to #4.  Heading into The Game the Buckeyes were #4 while the undefeated Wolverines were #3.  The Buckeyes won but lost the Rose Bowl by a single point to USC. 

1975:
The Buckeyes started #4 and a 41-20 beat-down of #13 UCLA in Los Angeles on October 4 catapulted them to #1 in the October 6 poll.  They stayed at #1 until the Rose Bowl.  On the way there they beat #4 Michigan in Ann Arbor.  Then came the Rose Bowl.  Remember that #13 UCLA team that Ohio State mauled in October . . .
  • 23-10
  • 11-1
  • No NC

Over those nine years the Buckeyes:
  • Had one undefeated NC (1968). 
  • Finished 10-0-1 missing the NC by a tie once (1973). 
  • Lost their last game three times where a win would have given them an NC (1969, 1970, 1975). 
  • Lost only to MSU and the Rose Bowl twice (1972, 1974). 
  • Had one 4-loss rebuilding year (1971) but even there all four losses were by one score and two were to teams that finished in the top-6. 

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Re: Best tOSU team since '57
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2022, 11:45:09 AM »
That was before my time (I was born in May of 1975 so I was in diapers when those games were played) but I think I read somewhere that Woody thought that was his best team.  Woody's nine-year run from 1968-1975 was phenomenal and the only thing detracting from that is that despite being "NC Caliber" for nine straight years (or at least eight of the nine with 1971 possibly excluded) they somehow only won one NC. 

1968:
The 1967 team finished unranked but 1967 was the last year of the 10-team poll era so that is perhaps a bit misleading as they were decent at 6-3.  Ohio State started #11, beat #1 Purdue in early October to climb to #2, obliterated #4 Michigan 50-14 to move to #1, then beat defending NC USC in the Rose Bowl.  FWIW, USC had a running back named OJ Simpson who won the Heisman that year and found later fame in other pursuits. 

1969:
The 1968 team was made up largely of Sophomores (Freshman were not eligible to play at the time) so with nearly the entire team retuning the Buckeyes were preseason #1 and stayed there through eight straight wins to open the season.  The closest of those eight wins was a 27 point win on the West Coast over Washington.  Then they went to Ann Arbor where they hadn't lost since 1959 to play a team that they had mauled the previous year under a first year coach who had been an assistant under Woody, some guy named Bo:
  • 24-12
  • 8-1
  • No bowl due to league's RB only rule
  • No NC

1970:
With virtually the entire team returning yet again they started #1 again.  They did drop to #3 then further to #5 after an unimpressive FG win over a sub-.500 Purdue squad.  That PU game was the week before Michigan and apparently the Buckeyes were looking ahead because the next week they beat #4 Michigan 20-9.  Heading into the bowls and what happened:
  • 10-0 Texas, lost to #6 ND in the Cotton Bowl
  • 9-0 Ohio State, lost to #12 Stanford in the Rose Bowl
  • 10-0-1 Nebraska, beat #5 LSU in the Orange Bowl
  • 10-1 Tennessee, beat #11 Air Force in the Sugar Bowl
  • 9-2 LSU, lost to #3 UNL in the Orange Bowl
  • 9-1 Notre Dame, beat #1 Texas in the Cotton Bowl
  • 9-1 Michigan, no bowl due to league rule

That was one of those exciting Bowl seasons where the Cotton, Rose, and Orange Bowls were all relevant to the NC.  #1 Texas' loss to #6 in the Cotton Bowl opened the door for #2, #3, #4, and #5.  #2 Ohio State's loss in the Rose Bowl opened the door for #3, #4, and #5.  #3 Nebraska's win in the Orange Bowl eliminated #5 LSU and shut the door on #4 Tennessee.  In the final poll it was UNL, ND, TX, TN, tOSU. 

1971:
This was by far the worst record of this group.  The Buckeyes lost all those Super Sophomores from 1968 and started #11.  They annihilated Iowa in their opener and moved up to #5 but that proved to be a bit of a mirage as basically everybody annihilated Iowa that year.  The Buckeyes finished 6-4 and unranked but the four losses were:
  • By 3 to a Michigan team that finished 11-1 and #6
  • By 4 to a Northwestern team that finished 7-4 receiving votes
  • By 6 to a Colorado team that finished 10-2 and #3 (Big8 went 1-2-3 with 13-0 UNL #1, 11-1 OU #2)
  • By 7 to a Michigan State team that finished 6-5 unranked

That is far from great but all four losses were by one score and two of them were to teams that finished in the top-6. 

1972:
After the rebuilding year of 1971 the Buckeyes started 1972 at #3 and bounced around the top-5 until an inexplicable loss at MSU dropped them to #9.  They were still #3 heading into The Game where they beat previously undefeated and #3 Michigan.  They headed into the Rose Bowl at #3 but lost to undefeated and #1 USC who won the NC. 

A win in the Rose Bowl *MIGHT* have won the NC for the Buckeyes.  It would have been an interesting vote.  Heading into the Bowls and what happened:
  • 11-0 USC, beat #3 tOSU in the Rose Bowl
  • 10-1 OU, beat #5 PSU in the Sugar Bowl
  • 9-1 tOSU, lost to #1 USC in the Rose Bowl
  • 10-1 Bama, lost to #7 Texas in the Cotton Bowl
  • 10-1 PSU, lost to #2 OU in the Sugar Bowl
  • 9-1 Auburn, beat #13 Colorado in the Gator Bowl
  • 9-1 Texas, beat #4 Bama in the Cotton Bowl
  • 10-1 Michigan, no bowl due to league rule
  • 8-2-1 Nebraska, beat #12 ND in the Orange Bowl
If Ohio State had defeated USC then the NC would have come down to OU vs tOSU.  OU's loss to Colorado was better than tOSU's loss to MSU but tOSU's hypothetical win over USC would have been arguably better than OU's best win (Texas). 

1973:
The Buckeyes started #3 and climbed to #1 on October 1.  Heading into The Game the undefeated Buckeyes were #1 while the undefeated Wolverines were #4.  Anything but a tie would have pushed one of the two to #1 but:
  • 10-10
  • Alabama moved up to #1
  • Notre Dame beat Bama in the Sugar Bowl and won the NC
The 1973 Buckeyes outscored their opponents 38-6.  They only allowed 64 points all year and 31 of those came against Michigan and USC. 

1974:
The Buckeyes started #2 and held #1 for a big chunk of the year before another inexplicable loss at MSU dropped them to #4.  Heading into The Game the Buckeyes were #4 while the undefeated Wolverines were #3.  The Buckeyes won but lost the Rose Bowl by a single point to USC. 

1975:
The Buckeyes started #4 and a 41-20 beat-down of #13 UCLA in Los Angeles on October 4 catapulted them to #1 in the October 6 poll.  They stayed at #1 until the Rose Bowl.  On the way there they beat #4 Michigan in Ann Arbor.  Then came the Rose Bowl.  Remember that #13 UCLA team that Ohio State mauled in October . . .
  • 23-10
  • 11-1
  • No NC

Over those nine years the Buckeyes:
  • Had one undefeated NC (1968). 
  • Finished 10-0-1 missing the NC by a tie once (1973). 
  • Lost their last game three times where a win would have given them an NC (1969, 1970, 1975). 
  • Lost only to MSU and the Rose Bowl twice (1972, 1974). 
  • Had one 4-loss rebuilding year (1971) but even there all four losses were by one score and two were to teams that finished in the top-6. 


This was the decade of my growing up.  First started really following Ohio State and we win the NC.  Then spent a decade coming oh so close and finally waiting until middle age to finally see another NC.  Now I was too young to remember the 64 Browns and I have been waiting even longer to being an elder statement, just hoping for one before I die.

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Re: Best tOSU team since '57
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2022, 11:55:10 AM »
A fan base that see its team win an NC start to expect one routinely in the future, not every year perhaps, but 2-3 per decade.  That CAN happen of course, but it's rare.  More often a program even as talented and esteemed as Ohio State wins one and then is "merely" top ten for another decade plus.

I think this is due in part to the fact that "the field" is really really good".  I highlighted programs below that won at least three NCs in the past 20 years, which means of course that one program and sort of LSU.  Ohio State and Florida have two, which really is quite something, one per decade more or less.


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« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2022, 01:16:58 PM »
This was the decade of my growing up.  First started really following Ohio State and we will the NC.  Then spent a decade coming oh so close and finally waiting until middle age to finally see another NC.  Now I was too young to remember the 64 Browns and I have been waiting even longer to being an elder statement, just hoping for one before I die.
Same time lines and position and the obsenity that has become Pro Sports makes the Browns winning one almost irrelevent as the keep driving up the "Sin Tax" like funding these Robber Barons and their slippery stooges is even a priority
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